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Goldsmith (UK) Warns US On Detainees
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-18-2006 | Joshua Rozenberg

Posted on 09/17/2006 6:52:51 PM PDT by blam

Goldsmith warns US on detainees

By Joshua Rozenberg, Legal Editor

(Filed: 18/09/2006)

Terrorist suspects detained at Guantanamo Bay should not be subject to humiliating and degrading treatment, the Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, warned the US government at the weekend.

Speaking in Chicago, Lord Goldsmith told the Bush administration that it should not try to water down the standards in Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions.

This provision, he said, "prohibits outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment" of those detained in combat. It was "an international standard of very considerable importance and its content must be the same for all nations", he stressed.

In a speech that received a standing ovation from members of the American Bar Association and the International Bar Association, Lord Goldsmith acknowledged that he was interfering in a "live, and sensitive, domestic political debate".

But he said it was not purely domestic. "The detainees to whom these procedures apply are non-US citizens and are detained outside the US."

His remarks came after a speech this month by President George W Bush justifying the use of "tough" interrogation methods against a suspected terrorist leader. On Sept 6, the president disclosed that the CIA had used an "alternative set of procedures" to interrogate Abu Zubaydah, believed to have been a trusted associate of Osama bin Laden. He stressed that the US did not use torture.

The president also dismissed the requirement in Article 3 that there must be no outrages upon personal dignity as "very vague" and "wide open to interpretation". He called on Congress to support legislation that would provide "clarity" for US interrogators.

Lord Goldsmith's insistence that the standards of Article 3 must be the same for all nations is seen as a warning that the US should not dilute those standards by passing domestic legislation that permits humiliating and degrading treatment.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bleedingheartattack; detainees; goldsmith; uk; us; warns

1 posted on 09/17/2006 6:52:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Funny, I thought the Geneva convention called for a quick and humane execution of enemy combatants not in uniform.


2 posted on 09/17/2006 6:54:25 PM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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To: blam

"Lord Goldsmith's insistence that the standards of Article 3 must be the same for all nations is seen as a warning that the US should not dilute those standards by passing domestic legislation that permits humiliating and degrading treatment."

Or else what, "m'lord"? The Mohammedans might mutilate our captured soldiers?


3 posted on 09/17/2006 6:56:05 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: blam

Goldsmith, your country is drowning in Islamic fascists, and what have you done to help? Your desperation for moral courage is nauseating. Just watch our President Bush and learn.


4 posted on 09/17/2006 7:08:18 PM PDT by reasonisfaith (Leftists will never stand up like men and admit their true beliefs.)
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To: blam
Lord Goldsmith...several members of our Supreme Court are inclined to agree with you,as is a former president of ours that used to farm peanuts.

Rest assured that,if he can,President Bush will replace one or perhaps even two to those court members...and will continue to ignore that peanut farmer.

And while I have your ear....why don't you lose that title "Lord" you pompous,toffe-nosed,malodorous twit?

5 posted on 09/17/2006 7:15:39 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: blam
"...a speech that received a standing ovation from members of the American Bar Association and the International Bar Association"...

The stupid lawyers don't realize that under Sharia Law they will be among the first to suffer "cranial separation with extreme prejudice".
6 posted on 09/17/2006 7:16:25 PM PDT by motorola7
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To: blam

So, Lord Goldsmith, with which signatory nation are we not honoring the Geneva Conventions?


7 posted on 09/17/2006 7:17:30 PM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: blam
Dear Lord Goldsmith,

Sod off.

Regards,

L

8 posted on 09/17/2006 7:18:11 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: blam

****"an international standard of very considerable importance and its content must be the same for all nations", he stressed. ***

An international standard that no Muslim country abides by. Is that really International?

The Muslims took our soldiers and cut their herts out, they cut off their balls , the beheaded them and dumped them in the desert. DOES THIS TURD know that???

Now he wants us to kisse their ass and tuck them into their iddy Biddy beds. Wake up Lord Dummy you have been asleep somewhere and not paying attention. Just likke those RINO idiots, led by McPain the fool manchurian candidate.


9 posted on 09/17/2006 7:18:16 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: blam
Lord Goldsmith should be advised that we will limit our coercive techniques to those the Brits approved for use by the Iriquois during the French and Indian War, and also during the American Revolution.

That's going to include scalping, flaying by removing 1 inch wide skin strips from sensitive areas, and amputation of digits and other appendages while the subject of the interrogation is slowly roasted over an open fire.

Suitible breaks will be taken from time to time and the subject will be fed.

More cooperative prisoners will be limited to no more than 1 trip through the gauntlet every other day.

After all, we are not without sympathy for the feelings of the enemy.

10 posted on 09/17/2006 7:27:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: blam
It seems to me that the Brits hit paydirt with the Paristinians way of getting information from their detainees.

Odd how that works.
11 posted on 09/17/2006 9:34:53 PM PDT by Tut
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To: Ingtar

Well, its humane, but I doubt that milord would agree.


12 posted on 09/17/2006 9:37:27 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: blam
Oh, it is a warning. Uh huh. Or what?

...

chirp chirp chirp...

Get a life.

13 posted on 09/17/2006 9:41:42 PM PDT by JasonC
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