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Bush's CIA Critic Claim Exposed as Untrue
Newsmax.com ^ | 9/13/06 | Ron Kessler (Washington Wire)

Posted on 09/13/2006 7:52:05 AM PDT by harpu

WASHINGTON — In a "60 Minutes" interview on April 23, Tyler Drumheller, a former chief of the CIA's Europe division, made a sensational charge.

He claimed that President Bush and his White House ignored intelligence before the invasion of Iraq indicating that Saddam Hussein had no had weapons of mass destruction.

On the CBS-TV show, and in subsequent media interviews that appeared throughout the world, Drumheller said that the White House was excited about the fact that the CIA was getting information straight from Naji Sabri, the then Iraqi foreign minister. But when the White House found out this source was reliably saying that Saddam had no WMD, Bush and his White House weren't interested.

"He [Sabri] told us that they had no active weapons of mass destruction program," Drumheller told correspondent Ed Bradley in a segment called "A Spy Speaks Out."

"So in the fall of 2002, before going to war, we had it on good authority from a source within Saddam's inner circle that he didn't have an active program for weapons of mass destruction?" Bradley asked.

"Yes," Drumheller said, proclaiming himself outraged.

According to Drumheller, Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice brushed aside the CIA report on what Sabri had to say because "the policy was set. The war in Iraq was coming, and they were looking for intelligence to fit into the policy, to justify the policy."

Drumheller saw "how the Bush administration time and time again welcomed intelligence that fit the president's determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not," Ed Bradley said in the introduction to the "60 Minutes" piece.

Now it appears Drumheller's claim was untrue, according to the findings of a Senate Select Committee on Intelligence investigation. Rather than undercutting the Bush administration's rationale for invading Iraq, Sabri's account shows how well-founded the intelligence on Saddam's weapons program appeared to be.

Ironically, just as Drumheller claimed that Bush ignored the truth about Iraq, the media have ignored the documentation in the Senate report demolishing Drumheller's claim.

An addenda to the Senate report on postwar findings about Iraq's WMD program says all the operational documents relating to Sabri indicate he told the CIA just the opposite of what Drumheller claimed. The Senate report refers to Sabri as a source with direct access to Saddam Hussein and his inner circle but does not name him.

"Both the operations cable and the intelligence report prepared for high-level policy-makers [based on interrogation of the source] said that while Saddam Hussein did not have a nuclear weapon, ‘he was aggressively and covertly developing such a weapon,'" the Senate report said.

The documents said "Iraq was producing and stockpiling chemical weapons," according to the addendum, signed by Sens. Pat Roberts, R–Kan., Orrin G. Hatch, R–Utah, and Saxby Chambliss, R–Ga. Iraq's weapon of last resort was mobile launched chemical weapons, which would be fired at enemy forces and Israel, the CIA documents said.

Moreover, there is "not a single document relating to this case which indicates that the source said Iraq had no WMD programs," the addenda said. "On the contrary, all of the information about this case so far indicates that the information from this source was that Iraq did have WMD programs."

What the source said was consistent with the CIA's October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate, the report said. The report added: "The committee is still exploring why the former chief/EUR's public remarks differ so markedly from the documentation."

At least 134 stories and TV shows have referred to Drumheller's claims and his criticism of the CIA and Bush administration in general. One of the stories ran as the second lead of the June 25, 2006 Washington Post.

"Warnings on WMD ‘Fabricator' Were Ignored, Ex-CIA Aide Says," the headline over the Post story said. According to the story, Drumheller was dumbfounded when he saw a classified version of the speech Secretary of State Colin Powell was about to give to the United Nations citing Iraq's biological weapons factories on wheels.

Drumheller claimed he had warned George Tenet, the director of Central Intelligence, in a phone call, and John McLaughlin, the deputy director, in a personal meeting that the source for that claim, code-named "Curveball," was a fabricator.

Not until the 32nd paragraph of the Post story did the reader learn that both Tenet and McLaughlin said they had no recollection of warnings Drumheller allegedly gave them. Both men said they would have taken immediate action if he had.

While two former CIA officials said they recalled Drumheller telling them at the time about warnings he allegedly gave McLaughlin, no meeting with Drumheller appeared on McLaughlin's official calendar, according to the report of the Commission on Intelligence Capabilities of the U.S. Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction, known as the Silverman-Robb commission.

Carroll & Graf is publishing Drumheller's book, "On the Brink: How the White House Has Compromised American Intelligence," written with Elaine Monaghan, on Sept. 28, according to the Amazon listing. The publisher's Web site lists the publication date as this winter.

Neither Drumheller nor a Carroll & Graf spokesperson responded to messages seeking comment.

So far, no media outlet has run the Senate committee's addendum demolishing Drumheller's claim that Bush and his White House did not want to hear the truth about whether Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.


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1 posted on 09/13/2006 7:52:08 AM PDT by harpu
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To: harpu
So far, no media outlet has run the Senate committee's addendum demolishing Drumheller's claim

Bill Keller will get right on that ...

2 posted on 09/13/2006 7:54:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: harpu
"a former chief of the CIA's Europe division"

The word "former" really says it all for me.
3 posted on 09/13/2006 7:55:17 AM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: harpu
Rather than undercutting the Bush administration's rationale for invading Iraq, Sabri's account shows how well-founded the intelligence on Saddam's weapons program appeared to be.

HA HA! Lies from the left again!

4 posted on 09/13/2006 7:55:57 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: harpu

THe data does not fit the MSM's universe. As such it must be false data.

Such crap.


5 posted on 09/13/2006 7:57:06 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Bullsh## doesn't get bridges built.)
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To: Howlin; neverdem; harpu

But there is no evidence of MSM bias.

nor have any Iraqi's (or democrats) ever simply LIED before.

Nah.

Never.

/sarchasm - the gaping hole between reality and a liberal's viewpoint.


6 posted on 09/13/2006 7:57:54 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: harpu
Just on gut instinct I saw this fat, sleepy, slow-witted dolt and I said to myself, "Is this the best we can do?" The guy came across like a rural, backwater traffic Judge in 1930's Alabama.

I'd say more than half of the people I see from the CIA, I wouldn't expect them to boil water in Hell successfully.
7 posted on 09/13/2006 7:58:22 AM PDT by Leisler (Read the Koran, real Islam is not peaceful.)
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To: roaddog727

Contributor
Occupation
Date
Amount
Recipient

DRUMHELLER, TYLER S
VIENNA,VA 22182
BUSINESSMAN
6/9/2005
$500
Pryor, Mark

DRUMHELLER, TYLER S
VIENNA,VA 22182
5/11/2005
$300
Landrieu, Mary L

A rat as expected!





8 posted on 09/13/2006 7:58:22 AM PDT by mmyers
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To: harpu

Saddam DID have WMDs and had used chemical weapons previously. The incriminating WMDs were simply taken out of the country before being reached by US forces. There is ample evidence in the paper trail left by Saddam's regeime that WMDsexisted, were being manufactured and nuclear weapons were being actively pursued.


9 posted on 09/13/2006 7:58:23 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir wölle bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: harpu

Who cares?

If it wasn't imminent WMDs we would have made up something else, don't lefties get it? Saddam needed to be taken down before he got WMDs, it was a problem least expensively solved in the sort term before anyone gassed or nuked a city.

Nobody in the world cares about the reasons for the Iraq War except leftists, and they're a bunch of toothless, whining, former hippies. So I say again, who cares?


10 posted on 09/13/2006 7:59:10 AM PDT by wvobiwan (BOYCOTT NYT, LAT, AP, Reuters, CNN, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, WaPo, Haaretz, and ALL leftist rags!!!)
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To: harpu
Hmmmm which candidate for President in 2008 is this guy advising. Things went so well for Wilson/JFKerry.
11 posted on 09/13/2006 7:59:27 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: mmyers

Apparently a Clinton mole left behind to explode on order at the worst possible time in the worst possible fashion.

Spineless Sporkweasel Bas#ard.


12 posted on 09/13/2006 8:01:42 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Bullsh## doesn't get bridges built.)
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To: harpu

bump


13 posted on 09/13/2006 8:04:36 AM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: ClearCase_guy

Right after the cadaverous crew at 60 Minutes...


14 posted on 09/13/2006 8:06:24 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: frogjerk
It really doesn't matter. There will never be any mainstream publicity when the left's lies come out. Since Armitage, nobody talks about Plame anymore, or the years of slander against Bush and Rove.

There is the Iraqi general Sada wrote a book about Iraqi WMDs and even showed where they were probably hidden in Syria, and how they got there. Zero media attention except on Fox.

The left is hell bent to destroy the conservatives, and nothing they ever do is wrong. Narcissism is a disease.
15 posted on 09/13/2006 8:09:25 AM PDT by ritewingwarrior (Where does free speech end, and sedition begin?)
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To: harpu

One "guy" says he didn't. One thousand says he did. We report...you decide.


16 posted on 09/13/2006 8:11:17 AM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: tobyhill
Good morning.
"The word "former" really says it all for me."

The letters "CIA" say it all for me.

Michael Frazier
17 posted on 09/13/2006 8:16:06 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: brazzaville

The left is still running on bush lied? they ahd their asses handed to them twice running on that


18 posted on 09/13/2006 8:19:03 AM PDT by sachem longrifle (proud member of the fond Du lac band of the Ojibwa people)
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To: ritewingwarrior

Wonder if this guy is associated with the VIPs?


19 posted on 09/13/2006 8:28:36 AM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: harpu
Ironically, just as Drumheller claimed that Bush ignored the truth about Iraq, the media have ignored the documentation in the Senate report demolishing Drumheller's claim.

It's not ironic at all; it simply fits the media pattern.

20 posted on 09/13/2006 8:31:48 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: harpu

Another Ivy League leftie who should have been fired in Spring of 2001.


21 posted on 09/13/2006 9:02:46 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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To: harpu
"So in the fall of 2002, before going to war, we had it on good authority from a source within Saddam's inner circle that he didn't have an active program for weapons of mass destruction?" Bradley asked.

Would you base your policies on denials from Saddam's inner circle?

22 posted on 09/13/2006 9:15:21 AM PDT by marron
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To: harpu
UN inspectors in Iraq inspected and sat on WMD's for years and not they do not exist?
23 posted on 09/13/2006 9:21:32 AM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: harpu; Wristpin; Howlin; Peach; piasa; Fedora
Bingo!

This is an edited transcript of an interview conducted by Ian Masters with Vincent Cannistaro [sic], the former CIA head of counterterrorism operations and intelligence director at the National Security Council under Ronald Reagan, which aired on the Los Angeles public radio KPFK on April 3, 2005:

Cannistraro: Well, in this case, the Germans had told the CIA’s head of the European desk on the operations side, Tyler Drumheller, who I spoke to, but he wasn’t comfortable going on the radio.

Then this:

Is it any surprise Drumheller is mentioned heavily in James Risen book exposing the NSA program, the CIA torture claims, etc? Risen seems to have direct material from Drumheller...(more at link below)

Stratasphere

Related story from April 2006:

CIA Accuser’s Story Is A Year Old.

And aw geez...lookie here:

On the Brink: How the White House Has Compromised American Intelligence by Tyler Drumheller

Scheduled for release...{drum roll please}...September 2006.

Found another interesting tidbit about the VIPS at Stratasphere link:

I never noticed this March 2003 article before which claims that it was the VIPS who leaked the Niger forgeries to the IAEA (from the VIPS link below).

The leak to IAEA came from a 25-member group of former CIA analysts and agents who call themselves the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). One could probably think of a better name for their group, but maybe after working for the CIA the name is a description of the effect of working for the CIA. After 27 years of service, former CIA agent Ray McGovern comments on the documents, “It’s been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy.” He went on to say, “It goes against the whole ethic of secrecy and going through channels, and going to the (inspector general).

Pinging the usual research crew to see if they have anything to add.
24 posted on 09/13/2006 9:35:05 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: harpu

Rush will do the job the drive-by media refuses to do: Get the truth out to the truth-starved masses.


25 posted on 09/13/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: ravingnutter

I couldn't add one single thing to that superb research.


26 posted on 09/13/2006 9:50:17 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: harpu

bump


27 posted on 09/13/2006 9:52:52 AM PDT by lowbridge (I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather. Not screaming, like his passengers.)
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To: A Citizen Reporter; AliVeritas; alnick; AmeriBrit; AmericaUnited; arasina; BlessedByLiberty; ...

Found another interesting tidbit about the VIPS at Stratasphere link:


I never noticed this March 2003 article before which claims that it was the VIPS who leaked the Niger forgeries to the IAEA (from the VIPS link below).
The leak to IAEA came from a 25-member group of former CIA analysts and agents who call themselves the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). One could probably think of a better name for their group, but maybe after working for the CIA the name is a description of the effect of working for the CIA. After 27 years of service, former CIA agent Ray McGovern comments on the documents, “It’s been cooked to a recipe, and the recipe is high policy.” He went on to say, “It goes against the whole ethic of secrecy and going through channels, and going to the (inspector general).



***Ping the Libby/CIA group!!!


28 posted on 09/13/2006 9:58:29 AM PDT by Howlin (Who in the press will stick up for ABC's right to air this miniseries? ~~NRO)
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To: Howlin
From another CBS story archived at {ugh} Common Dreams:

Drumheller says the CIA station chief in Rome, who worked for him, told him he didn't believe it. "He said, 'It's not true. It's not; this isn't real,'" Drumheller recalls.

CIA Spy Speaks Out

This Station Chief was implicated in the Abu Omar kidnapping case:

Warrant reportedly links CIA official to cleric's abduction in Italy

The article says he is still under cover even though he is retired...isn't that just a little wierd?

29 posted on 09/13/2006 10:38:13 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Drumheller says the CIA station chief in Rome

Ding!! Ding!! Ding!!!

30 posted on 09/13/2006 10:54:03 AM PDT by Howlin (Who in the press will stick up for ABC's right to air this miniseries? ~~NRO)
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To: harpu

Being a Democrat should disqualify a person from being a CIA employee.


31 posted on 09/13/2006 11:01:36 AM PDT by Inwoodian
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To: Howlin
I thought I knew who the Station Chief was...I just couldn't remember his name:

Italy’s military intelligence service (SISMI) provides Jeff Castelli, the CIA station chief in Rome, with papers documenting an alleged uranium deal between Iraq and Niger. The agent, who is not permitted to duplicate the papers, writes a summary of them and sends the report to Langley. [La Repubblica (Rome), 11/11/2005; New Yorker, 10/27/2003; Knight Ridder, 11/4/2005]

Cooperative Research

Geez...the usual suspects again and again.

32 posted on 09/13/2006 11:04:55 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

The next move was predictable. The Italian Government and SISMI build a dike between Forte Braschi and the tracks of the via Biaimonte squad. But its denial does not hold up. It is a known fact that in fall of 2001, SISMI monitored Rocco Martino’s every move in London. This is confirmed to La Repubblica by SISMI chief Nicolò Pollari. We monitored Martino and photographed his meetings in London. Would you like to see the pictures? So why didn’t Rome put the lie to its ex-agent and snake oil salesman? Especially since the information in the dossier was vouched for by Pollari to Jeff Castelli, CIA Station Chief. It is a known fact that a report on the bogus, made-in-Rome dossier ended up at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence—in the Office of Strategic, Military and WMD Proliferation Affairs.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:SnXfbMviqeUJ:nuralcubicle.blogspot.com/2005/10/berlusconi-behind-fake-yellowcake.html+Niger+documents+came+from+Rome&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2


33 posted on 09/13/2006 11:09:40 AM PDT by Howlin (Who in the press will stick up for ABC's right to air this miniseries? ~~NRO)
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To: Howlin
That reminds me...check this comment out:
Finally, Mr. Kristof closes with a value-added Premium Truth Select wrinkle - apparently, he has decided to provide a very subtle (unannounced, we might say) correction to his Oct 11, 2003 column. We dare not predict what tomorrow will bring, but this is from the current version of his entry, as he deplores the attacks on Joe Wilson, private citizen:
And the fact is that his wife's career at CIA has been destroyed; she's never going to be Rome Station Chief.
Fascinating.

34 posted on 09/13/2006 11:20:06 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

I would love for somebody to explain to me how anybody can be a station chief overseas with twin toddlers!


35 posted on 09/13/2006 11:21:15 AM PDT by Howlin (Who in the press will stick up for ABC's right to air this miniseries? ~~NRO)
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To: ravingnutter

And how long ago did WE say this:

However, some of the new material is clearly responsive to the critics. For example, Mickey wrote this:

And, as Maguire notes, a second Kristof column on June 13 says Wilson had been sent "at the behest of the office of Vice President Dick Cheney," which is a good bit wronger than the May 6 formulation--but which Kristof conveniently doesn't mention.

But wait! The Premium Truth Select version now adds this:

And in a later column I said Wilson had been dispatched "at the behest" of Cheney's office; it's true that he was sent in response to Cheney's prodding, but that wording wasn't choice because it can easily be read to mean that Cheney asked for the trip.

"That wording wasn't choice". Just so.


and this is just swell:

Kristof may have hit on the marketing breakthrough that will save TimesSelect. Call it TruthSelect. Here's the plan: Have the op-ed columns in the print edition contain flagrant inaccuracies. Figure out what the factual version of events is, but print the corrected, accurate version only on the restricted, premium portion of the Web site, where people have to pay $49.95 to get at it. The B.S. is free. The truth you have to pay for! It's so simple and intuitive it's genius.


36 posted on 09/13/2006 11:23:48 AM PDT by Howlin (Who in the press will stick up for ABC's right to air this miniseries? ~~NRO)
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To: Howlin
More fascinating insights into Drumheller, Wilson, CBS and their collective lies here
37 posted on 09/13/2006 11:39:39 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Howlin

I would like to respond to the mistatements, miscast aspersions, and omissions in the article linked below but I am swamped at work and don't have the time. All I can say is I am sorry Erik Mink . . . still has a job.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/columnists.nsf/ericmink/story/79BED3F49C8E0E01862571E80001C928?OpenDocument


38 posted on 09/13/2006 12:19:56 PM PDT by rwa265
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To: Howlin

refresh my memory ... this is flying past head


39 posted on 09/13/2006 12:39:40 PM PDT by Mo1 (Think about it .. A Speaker Nancy Pelosi could be 2 seats away from being President)
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To: Howlin
According to Wikipedia (I know...but it is backed up by the link to the report listed below):
However, Drumheller is now at the center of a controversy first mentioned in the "Additional Views" section of the "Report of the Senate Committee on Intelligence on Postwar Findings About Iraq's WMD Programs and Links To Terrorism and How They Compare to Prewar Assessments". As previously mentioned, Drumheller had appeared on 60 Minutes and reported that a source who was a high-ranking Iraqi official with direct access to Saddam Hussein (Sabri) claimed that there was no Iraqi WMD program. But according to documentary evidence obtained by the Senate Committee on Intelligence, Sabri stated just the opposite:

"Iraq was currently producing and stockpiling chemical weapons",

"Iraq scientists were dabbling with biological weapons with limited success"

"Iraq's weapons of last resort were mobile launchers armed with chemical weapons"

According to the Senate Committee report: "The Committee is still exploring why the former Chief/EUR's public remarks differ so markedly from the documentation."[2]

I then checked out the report and sure enough, on page 144 of the Senate Intelligence Committee Report, it clearly states that Drumheller's recollection of Sabri's information conflicts with information that Sabri told the Committee. Wish I could post the text here, but it is one of those darned .pdf files and it won't let me cut and paste that text.

Bottom line...Drumheller is repeating an old story that is a proven lie to sell his book.

40 posted on 09/13/2006 1:09:41 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: harpu

This is exactly the same thing that happened with Joe Wilson....go on 60 minutes...tell the exact OPPOSITE of what you said on record to the CIA....let the press have a field day with it...then be proved wrong. Of course, 60 minutes won't have an interview to correct the falsehoods...
These people continue to play by the same playbook because they think it works...let's hope it doesn't


41 posted on 09/13/2006 1:47:50 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: Howlin
Melanie Sloan said on October 1st 2003, then updated on January 21st 2005 that Wilson had been sent by the CIA, now she's trying to twist it again and say it was VP Cheney that sent him.

http://www.usatoday.com/community/chat_03/2003-10-01-sloan.htm

By the looks of this, this commie has been on his legal council team right from the start of "The Big Lie".

My gut tells me this is all a plot to cover up the US portion of the 'OFF' scandal and I think at the end of the day we'll find out all these VIPS, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame and many others were all involved and reaping the benefits from it.
42 posted on 09/13/2006 2:07:21 PM PDT by AmeriBrit ( Squashing Clinton's Lies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuH1xwLUnbg)
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To: ravingnutter; Howlin; Shermy; the Real fifi
Thanks for the pings! If you go to http://intelligence.senate.gov/"http://intelligence.senate.gov, open the pdf file titled "Postwar Findings about Iraq's WMD Programs and Links to Terrorism and How they Compare with Prewar Assessments", and skip down to pdf pages 143-147, there are some details on conflict between what Drumheller and Tenet told the SSCI. I don't remember if Drumheller is mentioned by name--think he's described as the "CIA Europe chief" or something like that--but it seems to be referring to him.

Regarding the quote identifying VIPS as the source of the leak to IAEA about the Niger forgeries, I tried to substantiate that quote (originally posted on May 17, 2003 by IslamOnline's Hwaa Irfan at http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/Iraq/2003/03/article05.SHTML) when I was putting together my "Wilsongate" post (where I considered a similar scenario in the "Means" section in Post #2 under "Phase 2: Planting the forgery" and in the "Opportunity" section in Post #3 under "4. Wilson’s alibi(s)"). My recollection is that I did not include that quote because I was unable to determine the source of the information (it seemed like it may have been an inference from previously-published articles rather than based on a direct quotation of a source with firsthand knowledge) or find other corroborating details. I do suspect VIPS (possibly in conjunction with CIA personnel in Europe) was involved in the leak but I wouldn't rest the case on that quote.

43 posted on 09/13/2006 2:41:47 PM PDT by Fedora
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Bookmark


44 posted on 09/13/2006 2:54:50 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: Fedora

Thanks, The Source of the forgeries and why Wilson spoke of seeing them when he couldn't have is one of the remaining mysteries, isn't it, fedora? Like you I've a number of good ideas but no proof.


45 posted on 09/13/2006 3:15:49 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: the Real fifi
The Source of the forgeries and why Wilson spoke of seeing them when he couldn't have is one of the remaining mysteries, isn't it, fedora?

Yes, the new SSCI report says on pdf p. 56 that the FBI is still investigating the origin of the forgeries. Another unresolved question is who first advised the IAEA of the forgeries--my summary of the various discrepancies surrounding this issue:

Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity

On February 4, the day before Powell’s UN speech, someone briefed Baute on the Niger forgeries and provided him with copies. Who provided the briefing and forgeries to him and where they did so have been reportedly differently by different sources. According to Baute’s account as reported by Seymour Hersh, he was briefed by the US mission in Austria while aboard a plane en route from IAEA headquarters in Vienna to UN headquarters in New York, and upon reaching New York he was provided with copies of the documents by the US.174 What the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence’s report says regarding this is censored at a key point, reading, “On February 4, 2003, the U.S. Government passed electronic copies of the Iraq-Niger documents to [3/4 line deleted] the IAEA. Because the Director of the IAEA’s INVO [Iraq Nuclear Verification Office] was in New York at the time, the U.S. Government also provided the documents to him in New York.”175 So far this seems consistent enough. But slightly at variance with these accounts is a July 18, 2003 article by Walter Pincus and Dana Priest which depicts the briefing occurring in Vienna rather than on the plane from Vienna: “On Feb. 4, the U.N. inspectors' Iraq team was called to the U.S. mission in Vienna and verbally briefed on the contents of the documents. A day later, they received copies, according to officials familiar with the inspectors' work.” A couple weeks earlier, Pincus and Richard Leiby had reported that the copies of the forgeries the inspectors received came from the CIA: “In early February, the CIA received a translation of the Niger documents and in early March, copies of the documents, which it turned over to the International Atomic Energy Agency.”176 A seemingly different account is found in a March 8, 2003 article by Ian Traynor, stating that Britain provided the documents to the IAEA in Vienna: “British officials named the state of Niger as the source of the uranium and passed their evidence to the UN nuclear watchdog, the international atomic energy agency, in Vienna.” Hans Blix curiously stated as reported in an April 22, 2003 article by Sally Bolton, “The CIA say they got a copy of the document from the UK.”177 This is contradicted by a September 2003 British Parliamentary investigation which states, “In February 2003 the International Atomic Energy Authority (IAEA) received from a third party (not the UK) documents that the party had acquired in the autumn of 2002 and which purported to be evidence of Iraq’s attempts to obtain uranium from Niger. In March 2003 the IAEA identified some of the documents it had received as forgeries and called into question the authenticity of the others.” Britain’s July 2004 Butler Report similarly though somewhat more vaguely states: “it was not until early 2003 that the British Government became aware that the US (and other states) had received from a journalistic source a number of documents alleged to cover the Iraqi procurement of uranium from Niger. Those documents were passed to the IAEA. . .”178

46 posted on 09/13/2006 4:06:34 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora

You are still the best researcher on the planet, fedora.


47 posted on 09/13/2006 4:12:19 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: rwa265

I remember Erik Mink when he was lead propagandist for the pinko rag Riverfront Times - the paper that wouldn't have any circulation at all if college students didn't need the free paper to serve as coasters for their beer bottles.


48 posted on 09/13/2006 9:31:59 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: Howlin

Thanks for the ping! :-)


49 posted on 09/14/2006 12:16:28 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: harpu

later read


50 posted on 09/14/2006 12:38:38 PM PDT by Mo1 (Think about it .. A Speaker Nancy Pelosi could be 2 seats away from being President)
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