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To: twinself
The recent outcome in the German-Polish relationship was rather disappointing.

Kaczynski spoke at the margins of an EU-Asia summit, where he also met Luxembourg Jean-Claude Juncker and Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi who both talked to him about the benefits of better European integration — something Poland has recently been less enthusiastic about.

I do not understand, why Poland joined into the European Union, if the President of Poland, Lech Kaczynski has to be convinced about the benefits of the EU. I simply quote from the CIA factbook: . "Poland joined the EU in May 2004, and surging exports to the EU contributed to Poland's strong growth in 2004, though its competitiveness could be threatened by the zloty's appreciation. GDP per capita roughly equals that of the three Baltic states. Poland stands to benefit from nearly $23.2 billion in EU funds, available through 2006. Farmers have already begun to reap the rewards of membership via booming exports, higher food prices, and EU agricultural subsidies." Besides of economic backing Poland recieved much sympathy for fighting down communism, standing in for christian values and last but not least for the outstandig Polish Pope. Countries from Western Europe offered friendship, open boarders, economic immigration and cooperation. In the meantime it appears that Poland can do without its European partners.

Of course it is the right of every administration to follow the politics their voters want them to represent. We understand it (believe it or not) since Western Europe also consists of democracys. Therefore it would be logically consequent to leave the EU, if Poland does not want to join into the path of further European integration. The EU is no dungeon. Countries who feel uncomfortable with it, can leave.

It is very simple: Socialists with a dumb national background like Roman Giertych and Andrzej Lepper do not fit into the Western European Club. It was the same thing with Haider from Austria. We will and we can not tolerate countries that elect such people into our community. There are two possibilities for us:

1. If we want to keep the overblown EU in its present organisation form someday the same thing with Haider and Austria will happen.

2. If the western European countries come to the conclusion that it is hopeless to achieve the same ideological and economic levels with eastern Europe, they will concentrate on themselves.

All this whining about idiotic, ridicolous BS concerning potatoes, Deutsche Treuhand, Steinbach or other populous and meaningless stuff will not help Poland to solve its contemporary problems. Politics are made of compromises. I.e. if you Poles are not happy about a center of expulsions in Berlin i.e. your President has to make a constructive proposal to build it in another place with Polish participation since he has simply no possibility to prohibit it. Everybody sane in Poland knows that we Germans do not deny our basic responsibility for WWII and that we will not repeat the faults of the past in the further future. Therefore: If you can not accept that we are human beings that have to mourn for our victims too, you simply have to leave the alliances you started with us. Doing it on your own would we more honest in this case than waiting for the fast erosion of our relationship in Germany and elsewhere in western Europe.

I say that as a friend of Poland since I see a real danger. The once good and bullish mood turns into something bad. We have the same populists (i.e. Steinbach or Stoiber) like you have and they will use this ongoing cretinism for their political aims.

5 posted on 09/11/2006 2:00:29 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge

Spot on without using the word potatoe.


6 posted on 09/11/2006 3:18:20 AM PDT by Rummenigge (there's people willing to blow out the light because it casts a shadow)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
"I do not understand, why Poland joined into the European Union...(...)"

I don't understand that either ;) But seriously Andreas, if you think that Poland's going to become isolated within the EU you are wrong. Kaczynski will do everything to convince elites of other European countries that he takes a good care about Giertych and Lepper in Polish government. And he's doing that just fine in Poland, I am telling you. And he will finally succeed in Brussels, too (in spite of bad publicity from German press). I am no fan of Kaczynski, let alone Giertych and Lepper but Poland's government is doing the right thing - taking care about Poland first. You probably expected exactly the same from your government on the Baltic pipe issue, if I remember correctly. So let's be objective, if you may. Germany also didn't open its work market to Polish workers protecting its own interest first. Again, something most natural.

I don't care about centre of expulsions, to be honest. If German society wants to whine and moan how terribly they were treated by these awful Poles during the WW2 without seeing the reason-effect relationship, it's their problem. Like every case of manic/paranoid denial.

To me - EU should go back to its economic roots. Just a common market without barriers and tarrifs, possibly with the same currency in a longer run. Certain set of values like Christianity and democracy is also important but it cannot be imposed and regulated. Local laws should be respected - just like in the USA the law of the state.

All in all I'd be really glad to see more good roads and international investments (also German) in Poland. On the other hand I'd be glad to see more Ukrainians and Belarussians come to Poland to work and stay here. This is my European Union.
11 posted on 09/11/2006 4:45:49 AM PDT by twinself
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