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Medicare to base fees on income
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/15478076.htm ^

Posted on 09/09/2006 6:10:49 PM PDT by lauriehelds

After 41 years of charging most older Americans the same price for the same care, Medicare will require affluent seniors to pay higher monthly premiums for coverage of doctors' visits, diagnostic tests and outpatient hospital care beginning in 2007.

A little-known provision of the 2003 Medicare Modernization Act calls for an estimated 1.5 million seniors to face higher premiums, from 10 to 55 percent over the next three years, if they have income of at least $80,000 a year, or $160,000 for married couples. Seniors taking in more than $200,000 and couples making more than $400,000 will see their so-called Part B premiums rise the most.

The move, designed to help shore up Medicare's shaky finances, has enraged many because it was adopted without public debate. A Republican-led conference committee added the measure to the Medicare bill even though neither the House of Representatives nor the Senate version contained it.

Medicare, the national health plan for the elderly and people with disabilities, faces an uncertain future because of rising healthcare costs, a growing number of beneficiaries who utilize more services and a dwindling tax base to support the program.

The premium increases are expected to boost revenue by about $7.7 billion from 2007 to 2011, and $20.8 billion from 2007 to 2016.

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1 posted on 09/09/2006 6:10:50 PM PDT by lauriehelds
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To: lauriehelds
The move, designed to help shore up Medicare's shaky finances, has enraged many because it was adopted without public debate. A Republican-led conference committee added the measure to the Medicare bill even though neither the House of Representatives nor the Senate version contained it.

Huh? How does that work?

2 posted on 09/09/2006 6:15:51 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: lauriehelds

Get ready for every thrifty American who saved and invested properly for retirement; this will apply to social security benefits eventually as well. Watch as the government screws you out of all your S.S. benefits along with your Medicare benefits to assist those who didn't bother to invest/save properly. Suckers all. Although we didn't have a choice about paying these so called benefit taxes. I never counted on receiving them anyway as part of my retirement planning. The greatest Ponzi scheme ever developed by an elected government. Makes me wanna cry, at least for those who were responsible for their financial condition anyway. Another tax you'll never see the benefit from.


3 posted on 09/09/2006 6:20:33 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: lauriehelds

It only makes sense to apply a means test to this entitlement. Why should a millionaire in Palm Beach pay the same premium as a poor person? The fact is that unless some such criteria are applied to entitlements (including social security) the plans will go bust and no one will collect anything!


4 posted on 09/09/2006 6:25:50 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: upchuck
Huh? How does that work?

Happens frequently.

If the House and Senate pass bills with different provisions, the bills then go to Conference Committee for reconciliation. The committe is composed equally of Senators and Congressmen.

In Conference, provisions may be amended, added or stricken.

Once a single bill is approved by a majority of the Conference, the revised bill then goes back to the House and the Senate for an up-or-down vote -- it cannot be further amended or modified.

5 posted on 09/09/2006 6:26:40 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: lauriehelds
Yet more proof that in 15 or 20 years,Social Security and Medicare will be fully "means tested" which means that they'll just become fancy forms of welfare.

Anyone born in 1950,or later,who thinks their retirements will be *nearly* as comfortable or secure as that of their parents is stark raving mad....crazy!

6 posted on 09/09/2006 6:27:20 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("An empty limousine pulled up and Hillary Clinton got out")
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To: T.L.Sink
It only makes sense to apply a means test to this entitlement. Why should a millionaire in Palm Beach pay the same premium as a poor person?

Why should he be penalized for being thrifty and productive?

You realize this is a Conservative forum, right? I am sure you will be more comfortable at your normal DU home.

7 posted on 09/09/2006 6:27:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: john drake

Actually, I wish the federal gov. would just close the SS program altogether. What part of the US Constitution gives the federal government the right to collect an "insurance premium" for said purposes in the first place?


8 posted on 09/09/2006 6:35:59 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: okie01

Thanks for that excellent description of the process.


9 posted on 09/09/2006 6:36:44 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: freedumb2003

With those ad hominem and personal attacks in lieu of a rational reply DU is where YOU belong.


10 posted on 09/09/2006 6:38:33 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
With those ad hominem and personal attacks in lieu of a rational reply DU is where YOU belong.

Which part didn't you understand? I can use smaller words if you need me to.

11 posted on 09/09/2006 6:39:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: TheBattman

Agreed. I've been paying my share of S.S. taxed for 34 years, I let them keep the money if they let me earn and keep everything else until I retire. Ain't gonna happen. I have to support all the other knuckleheads who have lived beyond their means since day one, and, well, ain't that the American Way for the past 50 years......


12 posted on 09/09/2006 6:39:55 PM PDT by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: TheBattman
Actually, I wish the federal gov. would just close the SS program altogether.

Might as well. No one under 50 will ever see a dime of it. It is NOT part of my retirement planning.

13 posted on 09/09/2006 6:40:14 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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To: john drake
Another tax you'll never see the benefit from.

I turn 62 next month and have applied for early Social Security "benefits" precisely because I question if the benefits will be around when I turn 65.

14 posted on 09/09/2006 6:40:27 PM PDT by upchuck (Q:Why does President Bush support amnesty for illegal aliens? A:Read this: http://tinyurl.com/nyvno)
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To: freedumb2003

I can see which part of your screen name applies to you. By the way, do you think Bush and the Republicans who want to reform social security and medicare and are considering means testing are part of DU?


15 posted on 09/09/2006 6:45:03 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink
It only makes sense to apply a means test to this entitlement. Why should a millionaire in Palm Beach pay the same premium as a poor person?

Well, there are two schools of thought on this one. The first would state that punishing society's most productive members acts as a disincentive to further productivity, and should be avoided. That's often known as "conservatism".

The second states that we should expect society's productive members to support everyone else through means of government-enforced wealth transfer. This is the school to which you belong, which goes by the name of "liberalism".

16 posted on 09/09/2006 6:45:28 PM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: freedumb2003
Two (unsolicited) comments:
I don't think Bill Gates, Warren Buffet,or Ted Kennedy should receive Social Security.
Although Gates and Buffet are against the repeal of the death tax, they gave a pile of their money to a non-profit-which exempts a majority of their fortunes from the death tax.
Typical liberals.
Also, I believe, the current projections of SS going broke is based on a projected GDP growth of 2%.
A more realistic assumption of GDP growth of 4% extends the SS program to 2060.
Medicare, OTOH, is a real and looming problem, IMHO.
17 posted on 09/09/2006 6:46:40 PM PDT by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: T.L.Sink
Why should a millionaire in Palm Beach pay the same premium as a poor person?

It's the difference between the US and France:

In the US, citizens are supposed to be Equal under the law. So the premium that must be paid to particpate in a a government program like Medicare should be the same for everyone.

In France, they seek an Egalitarian society, in which everyone exists on an equal plane. Achieving this requires punishing people who work hard and make valuable contributions to society, and it requires rewarding lazy people who sap society's strength.

18 posted on 09/09/2006 6:47:34 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: T.L.Sink
Why should a millionaire in Palm Beach pay the same premium as a poor person?

Why should they pay the same for gas?

Why should they pay the same toll on the Sawgrass Parkway?

Because they are buying the same thing, that's why!

19 posted on 09/09/2006 6:47:58 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Something is happening here but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?)
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To: T.L.Sink
y the way, do you think Bush and the Republicans who want to reform social security and medicare and are considering means testing are part of DU?

' If they are they are betraying the base. But it wouldn't be the first time.

You seem to confuse Conservatives with Bush-bots.

Again, why should someone who paid in not get out what they put in? Only a Lefty Socialist would suggest that it people should be punished for thift and success.

And if that includes the current crop of Republicans (hardly a Conservative in the lot of 'em), then so be it.

20 posted on 09/09/2006 6:48:07 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (the war on poverty should include health club memberships for the morbidly poor)
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