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Army shuns system to combat RPGs
MSNBC.com ^ | Sept 5, 2006 | Adam Ciralsky, Lisa Myers & the NBC News Investigative Unit

Posted on 09/05/2006 6:53:40 PM PDT by ruptured duck

WASHINGTON - Rocket-propelled grenades, or RPGs, are a favorite weapon of insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. They are cheap, easy to use and deadly.

RPGs have killed nearly 40 Americans in Afghanistan and more than 130 in Iraq, including 21-year-old Pvt. Dennis Miller.

“They were in Ramadi, and his tank was hit with a rocket-propelled grenade,” says Miller’s mother, Kathy. “Little Denny never knew what hit him.”

Sixteen months ago, commanders in Iraq began asking the Pentagon for a new system to counter RPGs and other anti-tank weapons.

Last year, a special Pentagon unit thought it found a solution in Israel — a high-tech system that shoots RPGs out of the sky. But in a five-month exclusive investigation, NBC News has learned from Pentagon sources that that help for U.S. troops is now in serious jeopardy.

The system is called “Trophy,” and it is designed to fit on top of tanks and other armored vehicles like the Stryker now in use in Iraq.

Trophy works by scanning all directions and automatically detecting when an RPG is launched. The system then fires an interceptor — traveling hundreds of miles a minute — that destroys the RPG safely away from the vehicle.

The Israeli military, which recently lost a number of tanks and troops to RPGs, is rushing to deploy the system.

Trophy is the brainchild of Rafael, Israel’s Armament Development Authority, which has conducted more than 400 tests and found that the system has “well above [a] 90 percent” probability of killing RPGs and even more sophisticated anti-tank weapons, according to reserve Col. Didi Ben Yoash, who helped develop the system.

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TOPICS: Technical; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: rpg; trophy; usarmy
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1 posted on 09/05/2006 6:53:41 PM PDT by ruptured duck
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To: ruptured duck
Has anyone else heard of this system and is it really as effective as this article purports?
2 posted on 09/05/2006 6:54:51 PM PDT by ruptured duck (He shoots....and boom goes the dynamite!)
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To: ruptured duck

I can't imagine the price tag?


3 posted on 09/05/2006 6:56:07 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I'm so anti-pc, I use a mac)
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To: Andy from Beaverton

They say $300K-$400K


4 posted on 09/05/2006 6:56:52 PM PDT by ruptured duck (He shoots....and boom goes the dynamite!)
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To: ruptured duck

Seems like a difficult problem to overcome..technically that is.


5 posted on 09/05/2006 6:57:14 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: ruptured duck

It sounds like a great way to tear up dismounted infantry around the armored vehicle.


6 posted on 09/05/2006 6:57:25 PM PDT by MediaMole (9/11 - We have already forgotten.)
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To: ruptured duck
...says Miller’s mother, Kathy “Little Denny never knew what hit him.”

Was he 6 years old when she signed him up?

7 posted on 09/05/2006 6:58:36 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: ruptured duck

I would think that a shotgun might be usefull in exploding the RPG before it hits.


8 posted on 09/05/2006 6:59:10 PM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: MediaMole
That's a pretty good point. Anything travaling at "hundreds of miles a minute" might leave a mark in just about anything.
9 posted on 09/05/2006 6:59:14 PM PDT by ruptured duck (He shoots....and boom goes the dynamite!)
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To: pfflier

Lots of little Dennys were shreded when they rode Shermans to war.


10 posted on 09/05/2006 7:00:53 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: ruptured duck

The first I've heard of this was tonight on NBC Nightly News (it was pretty much the same info as in the MSNBC article). The test that was shown seemed very controlled, with only the vehicle mounted with the Trophy system and a single RPG fired at it while it drove along in a straight line. Nothing else around in the test area.


11 posted on 09/05/2006 7:00:53 PM PDT by Ex-Dem
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To: Wristpin
Seems like a difficult problem to overcome..technically that is.

Not really, as long as you can deal with the really short response time. At least not for a single incoming round. Multiple, it gets dicier fast.

12 posted on 09/05/2006 7:01:29 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Wristpin

Essentially the same system concept, a ballistic missile defense system, is impossible according to the demoncrats.


13 posted on 09/05/2006 7:02:22 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: MediaMole

I think the big difference between the Israeli system available now, and the Raytheon system which might in place, is the ability to avoid hitting US dismounts around the vehicle.

Raytheon will promise to keep US dismounts safe from our anti=RPG weapons. The Israeli system makes no such claim, to my knowledge. This would lead us to "Spam in the can" tactics, rather than the dismount heavy approach that is used in the Stryker vehicles now.


14 posted on 09/05/2006 7:04:19 PM PDT by donmeaker (If the sky don't say "Surrender Dorothy!" then my ex wife is out of town.)
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To: RobbyS

Yup. the rolling Ronson wasn't very survivable.


15 posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:25 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: Andy from Beaverton
"I can't imagine the price tag?

Ah, its in the article. Page 2.

Trophies — which cost $300,000-$400,000 each

16 posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:30 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: Andy from Beaverton
I can't imagine the price tag?

How much is a soldiers life worth? Especially if he/she is related to you?
17 posted on 09/05/2006 7:05:44 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: ruptured duck

The article says the Israeli system works 98 percent of the time and is available now rather cheap...The Army balked because they have a $70 million contract with Raytheon to develop a system. This is a no brainer...buy the Israeli system now.


18 posted on 09/05/2006 7:07:08 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: donmeaker
SURE, next is a missile that stops evil thoughts.
19 posted on 09/05/2006 7:08:29 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF TH E RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: ruptured duck
>"Has anyone else heard of this system and is it really as effective as this article purports?"

I've heard of carpet bombing! It's relatively inexpensive in cost and American lives. It is extremely effective, just axe Dresden or Tokyo.

Q. How do you win the hearts and minds of brainwashed slaves of satanallah?
A. High explosives and lots of them

20 posted on 09/05/2006 7:09:37 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (I'd rather be carrying a shotgun with Dick, than riding shotgun with a Kennedyl! *-0(:~{>)
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