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The Fight for Pluto Rages On
Skytonight ^ | September 1, 2006 | Editors of Sky & Telescope

Posted on 09/02/2006 5:47:21 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets

Despite being only 0.9 arcsecond apart, the "dwarf planet" Pluto and its largest moon, Charon, appear well separated in this Hubble Space Telescope image snapped in 1994. R. Albrecht (ESA/ESTEC) and NASA. It's not over yet.

In the past week a small but growing group of scientists made their first formal attack against the International Astronomical Union's August 24th resolution that left the solar system with eight planets and downgraded Pluto to a new class of objects known as "dwarf planets."

On Thursday two heavy hitters in the planetary-science community — Mark Sykes, director of the Planetary Science Institute, and S. Alan Stern, an executive director of the Southwest Research Institute and leader of the Pluto-bound New Horizons mission — unveiled a petition formally disputing the new definition. The petition, signed by more than 300 of the world's leading space scientists, states, "We, as planetary scientists and astronomers, do not agree with the IAU's definition of a planet, nor will we use it."

The signatories call for a "better definition" of a planet and ask that the method to determine that definition includes more input from the global astronomical community. According to the petitioners, only about 4% of the IAU's nearly 10,000 members were present in Prague to vote on the resolution. In a prepared statement Sykes wrote, "A more open process, involving a broader cross section of the community engaged in planetary studies of our own solar system and others, should be undertaken."

Says Stern, "From the number of signatories that the petition received in a few days, it’s clear that there is significant unhappiness among scientists with the IAU’s planet definition and that it will not be universally adopted by scientists and textbook writers."

Other battle lines are being drawn as some scientists are questioning the IAU's authority in this matter altogether. The director of the Center for Space Exploration Policy Research, Mark Bullock, released the following statement: "A key public-policy question is who has the social mandate to alter the definition of something as fundamental as a planet. Scientists have in the past vested the IAU with authority to name asteroids and other planetary objects. However, the word 'planet' has cultural, historical, and social meaning and as such requires much broader discussion and consensus than those required for the naming of astronomical bodies."

Meanwhile the chair of the American Astronomical Society's Division for Planetary Sciences, Richard G. French (Wellesley College), urged the group's more than 1,200 members to recognize the authority of the IAU to render their decision and reiterated that refinements to the definition are desired. In a letter to the DPS community, he writes, "There is still work to be done, too, in constructing a definition that is generally applicable to extra-solar planetary systems. These and other changes, radical or moderate, presumably will be addressed at the next IAU General Assembly in Rio de Janeiro in 2009, and the DPS community will continue to be involved in all stages of this process."

You can read the Sykes-Stern petition, including the list of signatories, at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/planetprotest.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aintovertillitsover; pluto; space; xplanets
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It ain't over till it's over.
1 posted on 09/02/2006 5:47:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

It ain't over till they convince me that it's not a planet.


2 posted on 09/02/2006 5:49:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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To: cripplecreek

If it has a moon, it's a planet.


3 posted on 09/02/2006 5:50:53 AM PDT by Shady
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To: Shady

Unfortunately that leaves mercury and venus out.


4 posted on 09/02/2006 5:53:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us out?)
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bttt
5 posted on 09/02/2006 5:54:55 AM PDT by clyde asbury (It takes many helpless people to keep all the helpers happy)
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To: Shady

Couldn't it be a dual-planet system?


6 posted on 09/02/2006 6:02:59 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Shady
Just prior to this non-planet announcement, there was an article explaining what the consensus was on just what defines a planet..
I will try to find it and post the URL..

In the meantime, IIRC, these were (some of ?) the criteria..

1. A (generally) circular orbit generally in line with other planets (plane of the ecliptic ?) orbiting the sun.. ( a star )
2. Sufficient mass that the body assumes a spherical shape.. ( Pluto satisfies this requirement..)
3. Center of gravity for any orbiting satellites.. ( Pluto does not quite satisfy this requirement.. Technically, Pluto and Charon are binary planets under this definition..)

As for the last definition, I can live with it either way, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad..

My vote is for planetary status..
If some "esteemed" astronomical society classified it as a "minor" planet I guess I wouldn't mind terribly, as long as it's still a planet..

7 posted on 09/02/2006 6:15:17 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: dakine

See? It's not just me.


8 posted on 09/02/2006 6:16:14 AM PDT by ShadowDancer (No autopsy, no foul.)
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To: cripplecreek
Me either. Hang in there, Pluto. We're pulling for you.

(How mean can you get?)

9 posted on 09/02/2006 6:19:22 AM PDT by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George Bush.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
If it revolves around the sun and it is large enough for its own gravity to form it into a spheroidal shape, it's a planet.
10 posted on 09/02/2006 6:19:41 AM PDT by CPOSharky (MSM - Live hizbozo = freedom fighter. Dead hizbozo = innocent civilian.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I believe that Pluto, now newly classified as a "dwarf planet", is now eligible for inclusion under the Americans With Disabilities Act. He can file a lawsuit for protection, rights, free healthcare, welfare, and a parking ramp to be installed at his home. He'd better be driving with a blue tag dangling from his SUV rearview mirror.

Pluto, call the ACLU, darlin'...they'll assist you. And why not push for the development of a Congressional Dwarf Planet Caucus?


11 posted on 09/02/2006 6:21:25 AM PDT by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Yawn. I can see why you are lonesome. lol
12 posted on 09/02/2006 6:22:00 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: goresalooza

Why not have David Boyce sue the IAU in the Florida Supreme Court for a recount in Pluto leaning counties in south Florida?


13 posted on 09/02/2006 6:23:41 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets; All

BUMP


14 posted on 09/02/2006 6:26:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Pluto not a planet? That's just Goofy.

I'd like to tell those guys "Hey, is your head up (insert name of planet next to Neptune here)?


15 posted on 09/02/2006 6:26:41 AM PDT by exit82 (Sorry. You, along with Pluto, have just been voted out of the solar system(from FreeperLasVegasMac).)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Well I am on record as being with the guys that built the temples at Teotuican that recognized 10 planents. Our astronmmical community still has one to find and recognize.


16 posted on 09/02/2006 6:31:21 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: All

hmmm do we get to see the anarchists protest the IAU's attempted one world astronomy body power grab?


(in the good old days there would be an SNL skit about rioting astronomers in the street. Now we have some manish woman mumbling something on their fake newscast.)


17 posted on 09/02/2006 6:38:50 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: exit82

Since this definition change has a "political" aspect to it, why can't we just "grandfather" Pluto to let it continue as a planet?


18 posted on 09/02/2006 7:03:15 AM PDT by Tripoli
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

http://ray.rayandlaura.com/images/pluto-astroid.jpg

Watch out. Pluto might just get angry.


19 posted on 09/02/2006 7:10:48 AM PDT by figgers3036
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To: figgers3036
Hey, at least they didn't call it a "terrorist" or a "fascist".
20 posted on 09/02/2006 7:13:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake But Accurate, Experts Say.')
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