[scripter]

This reminds me of something I post every so often:

There is no genetic test or procedure (experimental or otherwise) that can determine one's sexual orientation. When people claim to be gay and we believe them, what we're really doing is taking them at their word. We believe their claim, we believe their testimony and we believe their declaration that they are gay.

But there are some people who are suddenly skeptical when one claims to be ex-gay. They don't believe the ex-gay claim, they don't believe the ex-gay testimony nor their declaration that they are ex-gay.

When somebody uses a certain standard to measure the credibility of what one group says, but then refuses to use the same standard to measure the credibility of what another group says--thereby ignoring the claims of the second group (ex-gays)--he should ask himself why he believes one group and not the other... This is a double standard.

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[scripter]

Dr. Nicolosi continued: "We would like Mr. Anderson to explain what is it about the inside of the office that blocks a sexual transformation that he admits can indeed happen outside the office."

That is indeed something Mr. Anderson should explain. He admits some heterosexuals become homosexual and some homosexuals become heterosexual, but not in therapy? Interesting...

[scripter]

For those interested, checkout the I Do Exist video created by Dr. Throckmorton. It tells the story of 5 ex-gays and how they left the gay lifestyle.

[zook]

What I found silly about this exchange was the idea that anyone would think that therapy can change *anything.* I mean, no psychological therapy can be to any degree effective unless the patient *wants* to change his own behaviors or attitudes.

The problem is that the APA thinks that if a patient comes in wanting to change his sexual orientation, that he should be discouraged from doing so (unless, of course, he wants to change from straight to gay).

[scripter]

People Can Change
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Why Change?
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[weegee]

"The issue is not whether sexual orientation changes...the issue is whether therapy changes sexual orientation."

People's genetics can change spontaneously?

Or it's a pseudoscientific lie that homosexuality is genetic?

Or are the cultural influences ingrained so deep that the change must come from within? And what are our chances of increasing the number of deviants by indoctrinating young students in the homosexual lifestyle?

[weegee]

They believe that people can be "bi-curious" but never believe that anyone who experiments with a member of the same sex may have made the WRONG choice.

[Antoninus]

At the APA Conference in New Orleans — where APA President Koocher commented about the ethicality of sexual reorientation therapy.

Of course, nothing about the ethicality of sodomy, fisting, bug-chasing, addictions, etc. that are part and parcel of the "gay" lifestyle.

The lunatics are running the APA...

[ArGee]

The issue is not whether sexual orientation changes...the issue is whether therapy changes sexual orientation."

How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb?

Only one, but only if the light bulb really WANTS to change.

Shalom.

[Old Professer]

Like cowboys, take away the hat and the boots and you're left with a beach bum.

[simicyber]

http://www.narth.com/docs/cummings.pdf

The APA And Psychology Must Reform.....