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To: Colt .45
"Constitutional Problems under Lincoln,"

I can go over to DU right now and find a similar list for George Bush. As the current administration knows, certain threats to the United States require certain measures."The consitution is not a suicide pact" and all that. And every one of the things you list was also undone by the US government.

deporting a member of Congress, Clement L. Vallandigham of Ohio, after Vallandigham - a fierce opponent of the Morrill tariff -- protested imposition of an income tax at a Democratic Party meeting in Ohio;

Nice job of cherry picking one point out of Valladingham's speech and ignoring the rest, like the part about the war being fought to free blacks and enslave whites, about overthrowing "King Lincoln" and about the Republicans intending to never cede power and impose a dictatorship. No, it was the line about income tax that made Burnside toss him in jail.

The Emancipation Proclamation caused a desertion crisis in the United States Army. At least 200,000 Northern soldiers deserted;

Post hoc fallacy. How many confederates deserted at the same time? Did they also quit because of the EP?

Yet you dirt bags continually try to ram "how evil the South was" down Southern throats.

No, I just won't allow you to spout your "The south was right" crap unopposed. You guys were at it on these threads long before I came along.

You are dupes and buffoons who followed a dictator under the guise of "Preserving" something,

So my ancestors,and all the others, who remained loyal to the United States, who fought under the Stars and Stripes, were "dupes and buffoons." Nice. I knew that would come out eventually. Put that one right up with Watie's line last week about freed blacks fighting for the north being turncoats to their southern heritage.

Never try to teach a pig to sing, its a waste of your time and annoys the pig

Funny, I'm always reminded of the same thing, and yet I persist. I figure some passerby might learn a few tunes.

70 posted on 08/18/2006 7:34:28 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Heyworth
"I can go over to DU right now and find a similar list for George Bush. As the current administration knows, certain threats to the United States require certain measures."The consitution is not a suicide pact" and all that. And every one of the things you list was also undone by the US government."

Bush is merely following what many Presidents have done after Lincoln broke new ground. It seems that a favorite saying amongst you Yankees is the old "well the Constitution doesn't say that he couldn't." But I found that Madison (one of the architects of the Constitution) said something to the effect of "When the Constitution doesn't say something, you must go back to what it does say."

The Emancipation Proclamation caused a desertion crisis in the United States Army. At least 200,000 Northern soldiers deserted;
"Post hoc fallacy. How many confederates deserted at the same time? Did they also quit because of the EP?"

You're sooooooooooooooooo full of crap on this one that you should be a Christmas goose. It is WELL DOCUMENTED that the desertion rate in the Union army was much higher and in answer to your query about the South after the EP I would tell you that it wasn't nearly a minute fraction of that. Why?! Because the Southern troops were fighting for their home soil! Geez, any moron could figure that one out. But the Northern troops weren't fighting to free the slaves, they were fighting to "preserve the Union" or in other words forcibly subjugate the Southern States in violation of those States' supposed "inalienable rights". Not to mention pillage, rapine and whatever other mischief they could dream up to inflict on Southern civilians.

"No, I just won't allow you to spout your "The south was right" crap unopposed. You guys were at it on these threads long before I came along."

Rita ... what an ugly thing to say! Does this mean we're not friends anymore? If you were not my friend I just don't think I could bear it. Does the truth hurt. It must really suck to find out that your side's reasons were really not "pure, white and holy". You think that we Southern boys are fanatical or nuts, and we think you Yankees are nothing more than loud mouthed ignorant bullies who try to get us to kowtow to your supposed wisdom, however you really get your knickers in a twist when you run into the fact that we don't.

80 posted on 08/19/2006 6:52:39 AM PDT by Colt .45 (Navy Veteran - Thermo-Nuclear Landscapers Inc. "Need a change of scenery? We deliver!")
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