[brain bleeds red]

The Russians and the Chinese are not our friends.

www.thefinalphase.org

[Jet Jaguar]

Important post. Thanks.

[phs3]

ping for later

[tentmaker]

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[brain bleeds red]

Essentially what this post says is that the Russians and the Chinese STILL want to attack us. It says that the Russians realized they couldn't defeat us militarily and so decided to defeat us by trickery and deceit.

This involved us thinking the Cold War was over, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, their infiltration of our intelligence agencies, them feeding us disinformation, all culminating in their eventual attack.

There has never been clearer evidence of this fact. The question is, is it too late?

[freedomfiter2]

Golitsyn's analysis was as little appreciated within CIA as it was in the outside world.

The John Birch Society took him seriously.

[mkjessup]

A good article, bump for later reading, thanks! :)

[hosepipe]

Both democrats and republicans "LOVE" to be told what they want to hear..
Same here on FR mostly...

[GarySpFc]

Are you aware of the fallacy in worshiping at the alter of Golytsin? I've noticed that a lot of posts seem based upon the works of Golytsin and the dupes he uses to proliferate his false prophecies. What is incredible is the fact that the Golytsin-ites (let's call them "Phoney Patriots") believe the following (not an all inclusive list):

1.) The collapse of the Soviet Union is a ruse: This means Ronald Reagan and the rest of the great men and women who carried out his plans to finish with the Soviet Union once and for all were just dupes and didn't really accomplish what they set out for.

2.) The communist bloc is just playing dead waiting to strike: Once again, a laughable charge. And when levied by people who include Ukrainians and Poles on their ping lists is even funnier. If you believe in Golytsin surely you would realize that the "Poles and Ukrainians" are all in on the Soviet plot..... (ridiculous, isn't it?)

3.) Golytsin is an honest broker serving the free world: Golytsin tells us that the KGB cannot be trusted. Wait a sec, that's a good statement, but WHO is Golytsin? A KGB agent. That's right. He's a KGB agent. But, wait, you say he defected so that means he's an honest broker - ok, but Golytsin tells you NOT to believe KGB defecters (except for him of course) because they are fake defecters and sent "to sully his reputation".. But, to believe that you'd have to, once again, believe Golytsin over loyal American officials who have determined otherwise. So, what you've actually done is place your faith in a "former" KGB agent over your fellow Americans.

And, btw, that means you believe a "former" KGB whose sole purpose in life seems to be making $$$ off of sullying the legacy of Ronald Reagan.

Can you imagine if Aldrich Ames had defected and then, after his usefulness to the KGB had run out, he made a living in Russia writing books about how the US's sole purpose in life was to enslave the Slavic world? You'd think that ANY Russian who believed such a man who betrayed his own country was an idiot - wouldn't you? Now think about Golytsin....

[litehaus]

My memory says our "Intel Folks" said, after WW2, that the Soviets would be TEN YEARS in getting 'the bomb.'-------I can't count to 10 between 45 and 49...........

[Romanov]

Thank you for providing me with a HUGE laugh and for increasing the worth of my tin foil stock portfolio.

You and your playmates over at www.thefinalphase.org are loons. For the uninitiated - that particular forum includes phoney Freepers who post on here, stir up trouble, and then slam Jim Robinson and others on their own site. One of them poses on FR as a "Polish" citizen, when in reality he's from California. Another is a so-called "college" student who cannot come up with any real contributions to any discussions other than glib sloganeering and pictures of Putin in various "Soviet" motifs. I've even posted complete b.s. I made up about the Russians on that wacky site and you guys fell for it hook, line, and sinker - no research, no verification - you wanted to believe rubbish and you did.

You guys don't have a clue about real world analysis, the strengths and weaknesses of the Russian Federation - their Armed Forces, paramilitary, interior troops, or the other problems facing them. You cannot even see the only immediate threat the Russian Federation poses is to itself.

You also deny the Reagan legacy - in short you call the Reagan legacy phoney, null and void - quite in line with the Strobe Talbotts of the world. Hillary Clinton, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, Sean Penn and others should join your little website. Like minds and whatnot.

It's quite possible Golytsin was the most successful disinformation campaign the Soviet Union ever engaged in during the Cold War. His arrival and efforts are said to have paralyzed the CIA.

He's as despicable as Ion Pacepa, Jan Sejna (deceased) and Oleg Kalugin - charlatons who feed on paranoia to earn a comfortable living. There are plenty of living Czechs and Romanians, and Russians who can bear witness to their direct involvement in communist crimes and repression - but you guys hold these thugs up as heros. These thugs only fled after they were about to lose all of their power and wealth they stole as part of the communist elite. They prosper today because they tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear. Even if what they say defies logic and reason and reality.

Don't you find it a little too convinient that these phonies appear during whatever "crisis" the world is facing and paint themselves as having deep inside information about what's actually going on DESPITE BEING DECLARED TRAITORS IN THEIR HOME COUNTRIES??? Do you actually believe they are able to maintain contact with "former" colleagues who then let them in on the "latest and greatest" secrets?

It's also no coincidence Golytsin wormed his way to Angleton - after all Angleton's confidant, British traitor Kim Philby, was probably providing the Soviets with info on Angleton's paranoia, etc. Golytsin was able to use it by stating, "those who defect after me will be charlatons, feeding you false information, and trying to discredit me." Angleton fell for it because he was mentally disturbed, or a willing participant - Philby's defection weighing heavy on his mind. Golytsin used this quite well during the Cold War - quite to the delight, probably, of his KGB masters. With the end of the Cold War Golystin had to continue his false prophecy because he needed to earn a living. How does he do it? Find morons who are willing to believe ludicrous "predictions" that defy logic and reality. Congrats.

The Cold War probably would have ended earlier if true defectors weren't discounted because of your "prophet" KGB agent Golytsin.

Now you guys play right into the hands of retired Soviet "Cold Warriors" who want to push Russia and the United States back into confrontation to soothe their hurt pride and wounded ego. Some of these guys work as "consultants" in Russia and point to the moronic "Soviet Union hasn't died, Russia is still our biggest threat" crowd and paint you as way more influential than you actually are in order to steer Russia into countering the US. Luckily, unlike in Russia, our leadership hasn't fallen into this trap.

[Thunder90]

Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING

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[<1/1,000,000th%]

"For a generation, the Central Intelligence Agency told successive presidents everything they needed to know about the Soviet Union," said Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, "except that it was about to fall apart.

Hardly surprising now that we know the CIA is full of communists and Baghdad Bob's.

[nopardons]

bttt

[x]

Golitsyn's theory was a plausible hypothesis in the 1980s, but it looks absurd now. Say you've got an animal that plays dead to draw victims closer and then attacks them. A clever stratagem. But clearly it doesn't work if the animal really is killed or crippled while it's "playing possum." For the strategy to work the Soviets would have had to turn to the attack before losing their whole empire.

[The Drowning Witch]

Golitsyn provided an entire chapter of such predictions, containing 194 distinct auguries. Of these, 46 were not soon falsifiable (it was too early to tell, e.g., whether Russian economic ministries would be dissolved); another 9 predictions (e.g., of a prominent Yugoslavian role in East-Bloc liberalization) seemed clearly wrong. Yet of Golitsyn's falsifiable predictions, 139 out of 148 were fulfilled by the end of 1993 -- an accuracy rate of nearly 94 percent.

Where is our Muslim Golitsyn?????

[rottndog]

bookmark.

[OKSooner]

Bookmark to read tomorrow.

[tomcorn]

Anatoliy Golitsyn was a conman.

End of Story...Put a conman in front of a delusional paranoid and he'll leave with the bank accounts and the wife's honor.

[tomcorn]

Oh....I see ...The Soviets didn't REALLY collapse they just morphed into cryptocapitalist oligarchs while all the while theuy sing the " International" in secret clubs through out Russia. The Sino-Soviet Split never happened and the Chinese are actually secret Maoists intent in just drawing out the hidden capitalists in their midst. Then, they will spring the trap...launch a complete reversion to Stalinist principles and join hands conguer the world...

Hmmm...

[Postal Dude]

Now, more than one year after the article was posted, it is more clear than ever, that Golitsyn was absolutely right. Russia and China still want the communism to rule over the entire world.
Russia and China will attack very soon. Maybe the attack has already began [Chinese hack attacks, poisoned food scandals, Russian long-range bomber patrols testing our defences, etc...].