Putting the carbon back: Black is the new green

Nature ^ | 9 August 2006 | Emma Marris

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

This is very interesting and proof that there are plenty of technological solutions.

So let's stop denying and delaying and get to it.

[Yo-Yo]

Water Vapor Rules the Greenhouse System

Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

This point is so crucial to the debate over global warming that how water vapor is or isn't factored into an analysis of Earth's greenhouse gases makes the difference between describing a significant human contribution to the greenhouse effect, or a negligible one.

Water vapor constitutes Earth's most significant greenhouse gas, accounting for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect (4). Interestingly, many "facts and figures' regarding global warming completely ignore the powerful effects of water vapor in the greenhouse system, carelessly (perhaps, deliberately) overstating human impacts as much as 20-fold.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

I've replied to the Water Vapour talking point so often now, that I will just suggest you look around for my comments on it.

Thanks though, apparently this is the latest not unimportant, but clearly misguided attempt to debunk what is year by year becoming increasingly clear science.

Although at least this isn't such blantant sophistry like the stupid "but its getting warmer on Mars" reply.

And, thanks for not telling me, "it was darn cold where I was this winter".

[Nathan Zachary]

(Psst!) Farmers have known this for centuries. So have all the plants and forrests on the planet which have been taking carbon out of the air since air began. Carbon is NOT a deadly
emission, but a necessary part of the atmosphere. All plants would die without this "evil" gas.
But, if people want to "Buy" carbon credits from the UN, it just shows how stupid sheeple can be.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

You didn't actually read the article did you?

[PeterPrinciple]

This is very interesting and proof that there are plenty of technological solutions.

So, how much of YOUR money have you invested in this so called technology? I will have more respect if you are a doer and not just a talker.

[Uncledave]

Renewable Energy Ping

Please Freep Mail me if you'd like on/off

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

I have invested in clean tech and renewable energy.

Not sure how to go about investing in something like this.

I don't have the kind of resources to be that terribly intersting for sophisticated investors, but I certainly would put 5% of my portfolio into this type of investment.

[Moonman62]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/keyword?k=terrapreta

I posted a similar article back in February. There are many ways to manage any possible global warming effects without destroying capitalism or the United States.

[Condor51]

***So let's stop denying and delaying and get to it.****

You go first.

Get back to me in 30 years.

[facedown]

Pearls-before-swine bump.

[Nathan Zachary]

Sure I did, sort of. what I don't understand is your comment. There are "technical solutions"?
How about just leave the earth alone and it will always balance itself as it has for thousands of years. Years with higher carbon levels will result in lusher, greener plant life, which will in turn, lower carbon levels, if they get to low weaker plants will die off putting carbon back. there are always things like forrest fires volcano eruptions etc. which constantly keep these levels in fluctuation. For "scientists" at the useless nations to think they can control the atmosphere is laughable. People who think they can, and believe money will solve the problem are gullable idiots. No wonder door to door salesmen are able to fleece people out of their money. Groups like greenpeace and the world wildlife fund fleece these gullable idiots the same way.

[PeterPrinciple]

You didn't actually read the article did you?

I suspect he did as well as I did. But as the following from the article states, I suspect you are moved by ideals, not practicality.

There are many unintended consequences to this. Farmers have been putting manure back in the soil for many years, this is just a variation of the theme that looks to me to cause more problems than provide solutions. It is very difficult to come up with a better plan than God has put in nature. Basic biology is that most plants are starved for CO2.....there is a biological solution in place already that I trust more than mans technology.

"Everyone listens politely. But while watching their responses, it was hard not to worry that the same enthusiasm that has brought them together might also trap them in a cul de sac. They obviously respect economics and pragmatic requirements. But these are not people principally moved by practical politics or bottom lines; they are people moved by ideals."

[PeterPrinciple]

Not sure how to go about investing in something like this.

Well, you go find out how much it costs, get your calculator out to see if you think it will really do what these "salesmen" say it will do.

Or, just buy one and I will find a farmer to partner up with you. I will guarentee you will have a good tax deductionl, but remember, you have to show intent of profit to the IRS else it is just a hobby.

I also have a green, anti global warming, co2 coagulating bridge I could sell you.

[ClaireSolt]

How could sequestered CO2 become a resource instead of an unwanted problem?

[TimesDomain]

"There are many ways to manage any possible global warming effects ... "

#1 method ....
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WAIT FOR WINTER !

In other words, this 'global warming' scam is simply another attempt to control. A load of total crap - or should I say carbon-based-manure.

You of so little memories have forgotten the radically extreme numer of solar flares that pumped unmeasurable amounts of energy (heat) into our atmosphere the past couple of years?

Greenland is named that because ... ???

Iceland was remnamed to the current name only after the last mini-ice age that froze northern europe.

Yes, things are beginning to warm up ( after several years of cooler than normal ) but they are only slowly raising to normal.

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

One of the people with whom I often work made an 1800% ROI on a company producing solar panels. You can make a lot of green with green.

Actually they are Euros, so it is a more colorful pallette of bills. But, the 100 is still green.

[cosine]

They "often made an 1800% ROI"--and people aren't flooding into solar panel production? What the heck is this company? Enron?

[Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit]

Sorry. I typed in an "often". It was only once.

[TexasTransplant]

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