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Letter to Editor Needs Validation
Rock Hill Herald ^ | 8/16/06 | Self

Posted on 08/16/2006 9:57:56 AM PDT by Robe

This attached letter appeared in the Aug 15th edition of the local Rock Hill Fish Wrap (The Herald) The writer describes witnessing seeing a hanger full of deceased US Marines laid out in their dress blues. Something about this seems a bit fishy….. I have served as an officer in the military but have no experience in escort duty I would like to have some feedback on the validity of the writer’s observations


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August 15, 2006 Updated 08/15/06 - 12:50 AM More Voice of the People

Spin regrettable on coffin video

My dog, Mojo, would like nothing better than to lie splayed out on the cool floor and dream about catching rabbits (that's as far as Mojo gets in his hunting). However, the smells that emanate from certain campaign stories in The Herald and that are used in campaign literature are driving him crazy.

Several weeks ago, he was awakened from one of his dreams by an article in The Herald detailing a flap over a video that showed flag-draped caskets. I was at the computer and felt his paw on my arm. I leaned over, and he asked that I tell the readers of The Herald the story I once told him. I agreed.

I was an infantry officer in the Army. My last assignment, after returning from overseas, before leaving active duty, was training troops at Fort Jackson. As my time at Jackson drew to a close, I turned my command over to another officer and did short-term tasks. Thus, I was asked to be an escort officer for an officer who died in Vietnam. I was to pick up his body at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware and escort him to his hometown, Chester, for a service and then to Arlington for burial.

I got to Dover early and wandered around the base. I happened to walk into a hangar and saw a sight that I will never forget. It was right after Tet. Laid out in their dress blues on tables was what looked like a hundred young dead Marines. They were awaiting "shipment" to their homes. I felt the most incredible sadness.

The next days were doubly somber as I took the friend I never knew home to Chester. I stayed with his body whenever the public was present, got to know his family, traveled by train to Arlington, saluted as "Taps" was played and handed the folded flag to his mother.

What Mojo smelled in the article was an attempt to turn an inappropriate part of a fund-raising video into an inappropriate use of that tape as a campaign tool by those who don't know Congressman John Spratt well. Congressman Spratt, a member of the House Armed Services Committee and a former captain in the Army, did the right thing. He used his influence to get the tape pulled. His opponent, Ralph Norman, who has never served in the military, rather than simply applauding the congressman's action, tried to "spin" the situation to his advantage. Norman was wrong. I'm glad that his attempt to keep using the honored dead for partisan purposes was not successful.

Mojo is patting my arm with his paw. I don't think he wants to go for a walk. I think it means he understands.

1 posted on 08/16/2006 9:57:58 AM PDT by Robe
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To: Robe

I think you meant hangar, not hanger.

This was right after Tet. I would not be surprised if it were a true story.


2 posted on 08/16/2006 10:02:26 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Robe

Of course the author's beloved Congressman John Spratt is a DIM.


3 posted on 08/16/2006 10:03:17 AM PDT by frogjerk (REUTERS: We give smoke and mirrors a bad name)
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To: Robe
I happened to walk into a hangar and saw a sight that I will never forget. It was right after Tet. Laid out in their dress blues on tables was what looked like a hundred young dead Marines. They were awaiting "shipment" to their homes.

My BS meter is banging against the stop at the top of the red zone on this one.

4 posted on 08/16/2006 10:08:27 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Robe

This guy says his dog talks to him... and we're supposed to take him seriously?


5 posted on 08/16/2006 10:10:24 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Robe
Parts of the story don't ring true, although his memory may be a bit faulty after all those years.

Dover is really two facilities. It's a major airlift base and remains being transported back to the States usually come through there. Remains are not shipped without a casket or other container.

The second facility is a military mortuary, where remains are prepared for transportation back to the family for services. It isn't in a "hangar."

What rings false to me is he recalls seeing remains in "dress blues" meaning they would have been prepared, but not in any kind of casket. I suppose that's possible after the large number of casualties after Tet, but it wouldn't be the standard procedure for the mortuary affairs people. I'd want to get some kind of a response from Dover or a Dover retiree who was around during Tet, especially if this involves a Dem and a campaign issue.

6 posted on 08/16/2006 10:14:34 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Robe

We need someone who worked in the morgues in Vietnam. Those that I knew, family members and friends who were killed in Vietnam, were shipped home in closed coffins and those coffins were not opened as far as I know. I have no doubt that there were many flag draped coffins.


7 posted on 08/16/2006 10:17:17 AM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Robe

Had a friend who worked "graves" at Zama. They processed lots of bodies for return to CONUS.

From what he told me, the bods were pretty cut up. As a GI, one each, your innards belong to the fedgov. Sooo, there usually was a mess except for the faces, etc.

After a journey of several weeks, I don't think they were "laid out in dress blues." I think this is fiction by someone who does not know or remember the process of bodies sent home from Nam.

Therefore, I call BS.


8 posted on 08/16/2006 10:26:12 AM PDT by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: MineralMan

Embalmer's paradise...


9 posted on 08/16/2006 10:31:48 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: colorado tanker
The fact that remains were:
1. Not in body bags and/or coffins
2. Left unattended in an unsecured area
3. All remains shipped home were in sealed coffins
Me thinks this has a BS rating of about 9..
I REALLY would like to have some ammo to challenge this
letter..
I know the editor, and I LOVE to Pi$$ him off as much as I can
10 posted on 08/16/2006 10:47:41 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Robe
We're thinking along the same lines here. Unfortunately, I was just a plain ol' tanker and never saw exactly how the graves and mortuary affairs guys worked.
11 posted on 08/16/2006 10:58:27 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: BluH2o

My BS meter is joining your BS meter


12 posted on 08/16/2006 11:07:38 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Robe
As has been stated already, this has a smell associated with it that cannot be explained by partisan politics.

Remains were not shipped back to CONUS overnight. The length of time involved in recovering, preparing and shipping home the bodies of fallen servicemen pretty well insured that they would be in an advanced state of decomposition by the time they could have been assembled, one hundred at a time, and dressed in Blues. To then have them laid out in rows in an unguarded, non-refridgerated hangar, that our hero could just wander around and "happen to" walk into seems to be a really far-fetched idea. They also were shipped in a sealed container, so if they were awaiting shipment I just have to wonder how the writer could tell how they were dressed.

It has also been my experience that escort duty was an assigned detail. It seems unlikely that someone would have been "asked" to accompany the body unless there were some sort of prior connection between the deceased and the escort officer.

As heart rending as this little talk between a man and his dog was intended to be, it sounds like bull shit to me. If I'm later proven to be wrong I will apologize, but for now I'm calling it a lie.
13 posted on 08/16/2006 11:21:24 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: jstaff

BTTT


14 posted on 08/16/2006 6:30:09 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses)
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To: Robe

WATKINS, JAMES O
ROCK HILL, SC 29732
PROVIDENCE PRESBYTERIAN

TENENBAUM, INEZ MOORE
VIA INEZ TENENBAUM FOR US SENATE
03/29/2004 250.00 24020631918




1971 graduate of Columbia Theological Seminary

www.ctsnet.edu/alumni_ae/newsletter/AlumniNewsOnlineMay2004.pdf

"On March 1, Jim Watkins ’71, interim. exec of Providence Presbytery"



www.ctsnet.edu/news/pdf/VantageSpring06.pdf

"Beverly (Brigman) Thompson ’96 (DMin'00)
published, along with George Thompson, Harvey Newman, and Jim Watkins ’71,
Alligators in the Swamp: Power, Ministry and Leadership. Her book, A Spiritual Companion
to How to Get Along With Your Church, will be released in May….."



http://www.wfn.org/1998/12/msg00156.html

"For Jim Watkins, traveling to the demonstration was a "pilgrimage
home." A staff member of the Presbyterian Peacemaking Program, Watkins
received basic training in 1966 at Fort Benning. He said individuals and
groups, such as the School of the Americas Watch, which organized the
demonstration, must continue doing their part to create awareness about
important issues so lawmakers take notice and respond. Only then, he said,
can enough federal support possibly be garnered to close the school.
"



My comment: bodies are kept cold.

He could have taken Basic in 66, OCS, and served until Tet and then
graduated Columbia Theological Seminary in '71, maybe, if it's a two-year program...
Not much of a military career.


15 posted on 08/16/2006 7:33:14 PM PDT by mrsmith
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