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Tough Lessons For Israeli Armour
BBC ^ | 8/15/06 | Jonathan Marcus

Posted on 08/15/2006 12:59:18 PM PDT by BunnySlippers

One of the major military surprises of the fighting in Lebanon has been the apparent vulnerability of Israeli armour to Hezbollah anti-tank rockets.

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The AT-13 Metis or Saxhorn is a modern tube-launched successor to the Sagger.

Its tandem-shaped warhead can punch through armour of up to 46cm (18 inches) thick.

The tandem warhead is designed to counter reactive armour as used on many Israeli vehicles.

Reactive armour is essentially made up of explosive pads or bricks on the outside of the tank which explode outwards when hit by an incoming missile.

This disrupts the effect of the missile warhead, which needs to impact upon the surface of the tank to achieve its penetrative effect.

A twin or tandem charge is designed to get around this.

The first warhead triggers the reactive armour and the second penetrates the tank.

Hezbollah is also reported to have used the RPG-29; a shoulder-fired weapon, again with a tandem charge.

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The Kornet has been exported by the Russians to only a few countries, including Syria.

And all the evidence suggests that the Syrians have passed them on to Hezbollah.

Israel is so concerned that it has despatched a team of officials to Moscow to show the Russians the evidence of what they say can only be Syrian weapons transfers.

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(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2006israelwar; antitank; armor; miltech; tanks
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For those interested in indepth analysis of battle armor. Interesting indeed.
1 posted on 08/15/2006 12:59:19 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

B-52's and iron bombs are an effective countermeasure to this.


2 posted on 08/15/2006 1:01:24 PM PDT by kinghorse (I calls them like I sees them)
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To: kinghorse
I thought it interesting that the missiles can penetrate 18 inches of armor.

Its tandem-shaped warhead can punch through armour of up to 46cm (18 inches) thick.

3 posted on 08/15/2006 1:03:39 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Interesting read. Syria is the problem.


4 posted on 08/15/2006 1:04:57 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: kinghorse

A-10s are also known to work on this problem. Since the US is about to retire them, why not "lend/lease a few to our friends in the Middle East.


5 posted on 08/15/2006 1:05:59 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: BunnySlippers

6 posted on 08/15/2006 1:06:52 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: BunnySlippers

That's the reason Chobham armour is still a classified design.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/m1-tank4.htm


7 posted on 08/15/2006 1:07:04 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: Blueflag
Time to bring in the T-100


8 posted on 08/15/2006 1:08:57 PM PDT by Smedley
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To: ChadGore

Whazzat?


9 posted on 08/15/2006 1:10:53 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: Blueflag

Is the US not able to provide Israel with safer tanks?


10 posted on 08/15/2006 1:11:34 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

Hez anti-tank missles? Where's the factory they make them in?


11 posted on 08/15/2006 1:12:41 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Talk to those who kill their own children, by Jihad/PR ? Remember Beslan.)
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To: ChadGore
The real problem is the stupid "PC" style warfare.

Kill everyone you can see that isn't a "friendly." Destroy everything that might conceal an enemy. Use Artillery. Use smoke. Use WP smoke on enemy positions. Don't worry about enemy civilians (they sure as heck ain't worryin' about Israeli civilians).

Letting the enemy hide among civilians, and worrying about enemy property is idiocy.
12 posted on 08/15/2006 1:13:49 PM PDT by Little Ray (If you want to be a martyr, we want to martyr you.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Israel is very proud of their Merkava. They did not purchase the M1-A1. Don't think the M1-A2 was offered to Israel.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/merkava/


13 posted on 08/15/2006 1:15:05 PM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: BunnySlippers

RPG 29v made in Russia, sold to Syria, given to terrorists in Lebanon.

14 posted on 08/15/2006 1:16:40 PM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: Smedley

oy vey !!


15 posted on 08/15/2006 1:17:00 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Islam is a subsingularity memetic perversion : (http://www.orionsarm.com/topics/perversities.html))
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To: Blueflag

So we DO have tanks that can withstand Russian anti-tank missiles?


16 posted on 08/15/2006 1:18:23 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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Is the US not able to provide Israel with safer tanks?

The Israel's design their own tanks. Reportedly, theirs is the safest in the world.

In the battle between armor and anti-armor weapons, the anti-armor eventually wins in the long run. Same with fortifications vs. shells.

17 posted on 08/15/2006 1:24:10 PM PDT by El Gato
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It sounds like the problem is more infantry support then the tank itself.

Israel had this problem in the Yom Kipper war when they were not prepared for the Egyptian anti-tank, anti-aircraft weapons that the Egyptians had and misused her tanks, sending them in without proper infantry support.

18 posted on 08/15/2006 1:24:47 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth? (Gal.4:16))
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....I believe the tanks in question are of Israeli manufacture, not U.S. tanks.... the "Merkava" (or "chariot" in Hebrew...) is a great tank, but it must have "met its match" in this recent conflict with the HezziBullahs....
I believe I saw on another website where some 20 or so of these tanks were knocked out.... that's a goodly number of "dead armor" there...........


19 posted on 08/15/2006 1:24:49 PM PDT by Thunderchief F-105
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Re: B-52's and iron bombs are an effective countermeasure to this.

So... does this!

When in doubt... Call White Ash Security...

20 posted on 08/15/2006 1:24:56 PM PDT by Bender2 (Gad! The inmates have control... And I'm trying to quit smoking!)
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