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German town says 'No' to neo-Nazis
upi ^ | 8/15/06

Posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:21 AM PDT by Valin

DELMENHORST, Germany, Aug. 15 (UPI) -- The citizens of a small German town are fighting the sale of a hotel over fears it will be turned into a neo-Nazi meeting point.

A neo-Nazi lawyer, Juergen Rieger, has announced he wants to buy an out-of-business hotel in Delmenhorst, a town of 80,000 near Bremen, to turn it into a venue where far-right parties and neo-Nazi organizations can meet.

Rieger, who has defended several prominent neo-Nazis, including Holocaust denier Ernst Zuendel, is willing to pay $4.3 million for the hotel.

The citizens of Delmenhorst are outraged by the plan, and have started to raise money to put the hotel in the hands of the public.

They have raised roughly $850,000, which is not enough to thwart the sale, despite the city's plans to donate a further $2.4 million.

The sale could be finalized as early as Wednesday, but city officials, who fear their town could become a battleground for clashes between far-right and far-left groups, have not yet given up.

"Every euro makes a difference," Mayor Carsten Schwettmann said in a statement. "It is a sign of the solidarity and commitment of the town."


TOPICS: Germany
KEYWORDS: nein

1 posted on 08/15/2006 7:38:22 AM PDT by Valin
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To: Valin
First: Kudos to these Germans for standing against national socialism.

Second: "Far right" and NAZI are too often thrown around together. The modern left is actively supported by the Neo-NAZI movement (stormfront.org, david duke, and others openly support Sheehan and her ilk and vice versa). The positions of the left also closely mirror those of the National Socialist Workers's Party of the 1930s, as do their "anti-war" protest signs.
2 posted on 08/15/2006 7:45:41 AM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: Valin

I thought Nazis (neo or otherwise) were banned in Germany.


3 posted on 08/15/2006 7:55:38 AM PDT by Buck W. (If you push something hard enough, it will fall over.)
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To: Buck W.

See reply #2


4 posted on 08/15/2006 8:02:57 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: All

OK, OK! Let the government buy the place and DONATE it to the muslim community, and let them turn it into a mosque.

Iz zat vat yoo vunt?


5 posted on 08/15/2006 8:10:56 AM PDT by Bazooka (When Tolerance met Indifference, it was love at first sight.)
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To: Bazooka; Valin
Iz zat vat yoo vant?

I get your drift in phonetics of course (laughs). I know the German people took a heck of a pounding in WW2. We in England were told different at the time. Still, it wasn't my fault.

I have observed the rituals observed by them for many years. Also Europeans under occupation will tell of this. They actually "hid a Jew". So they say. Now they rise up in high dudgeon at the "threat" of "Nazi's".

They are looking for a pat on the head- or elsewhere. What impells me to put in my two cents is the absolutely noble sentiment of the chief anti-Nazi writer. He is one- Gunter Grass. He created a hullabaloo, when a prominent American wished to pay respect to the dead of WW2. The SS dead were also buried in the cementary. (Where else?)

Hallo...... Gunter was in the SS himself, he finally admits. Case closed.

To your point. A 40 year old Imam, crying death to the infidel, gets a better press than a wheelchair bound,90 year old ex-Nazi, who cries about how right Herr Hitler was over 65 years ago.

6 posted on 08/15/2006 8:38:56 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Valin
I just got an email from someone I think may be a troll about how anyone on the right is a NAZI. He/she/whatever quoted my post.

Amazing that the person didn't look at the first part and wonder why it ran counter with their beliefs on conservatives.

An no leftist, until you reclaim your party from Move-on/ANSWER/CodePink/and you terrorist allies, I will not change my tagline. Leftists, please look in a mirror before you call conservatives NAZIs.
7 posted on 08/15/2006 12:27:20 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker

Amazing that the person didn't look at the first part and wonder why it ran counter with their beliefs on conservatives.


Thinking implys something to actually think with. :-)


I just got an email from someone I think may be a troll about how anyone on the right is a NAZI. He/she/whatever quoted my post

The problem is many on the left (particularly the ANSWER/CodePink types) really do thing that anyone to the right of Russ Feingold is a nazi, and even he is a little suspect. Many many years ago I was one of those people. I my defence I WAS using large amounts of drugs at the time.


8 posted on 08/16/2006 5:57:00 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: M1Tanker
I just got an email from someone I think may be a troll about how anyone on the right is a NAZI. He/she/whatever quoted my post.

Good grief. It has bugged me too that the Nazi party is considered right. If you were to look at a chart of right and left on a sphere the Nazi party would be so far left they almost orbited the sphere.

9 posted on 08/16/2006 6:18:09 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: armymarinemom
I could send you the email and response. Your views and mine seem similar on the whole fallacy of the "political spectrum". I submitted to the trolling emailer that the one dimensional political spectrum line is too "flatlanderish" and my view is it is more of a 3D Pyramid.

No matter where you start out on the base (Leftist/Modern Liberals or Conservative/Libertarian/Classical Liberals), the more extreme you get (ie, the more you travel up the pyramid), the more alike you become with someone traveling up the opposite side. Until your reach the top of the pyramid (ideologically) and everyone is the same: All raving extremist lunatics.

Hitler was a socialist, plain and simple. He was not all that different from Stalin in views and desired outcomes. Both men and their governments were VERY close to the top of the pyramid and I submit that they came from opposite ends of the same side of the left-wing base. This allowed NAZI Germany and the USSR to cooperate until Hitler betrayed Stalin a few years later.

My point to him/her was that the modern "mainstream" (visible on the media) leftists are pretty close to the summit of that pyramid and may reach it unless the "moderates" in the party retake control. With what happened to Lieberman (not a moderate, but moderate in comparison) shows that the left is continuing its slide to extremism.

And to the leftists reading this, after living through the Clinton years, President Bush's Administration is not anywheres close to the summit. I would argue it is at a very low level just above the base nearer to a moderate corner than most conservatives would like on certain issues (immigration being one) but much more maintream conservative on other issues (tax cuts for everyone, defending America against terrorists who publicly state "kill all non-muslims", rational energy policies, etc).

PS. My best to your children. I will hopefully be there with them in Iraq (maybe Afghanistan too) in a few months.

10 posted on 08/16/2006 12:19:58 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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Valin (that really is a cool screen-name),
The post I made to armymarinemom was meant for you too. I just had a mid-30s moment and forgot to add you.

Out of curiosity and because I love learning all I can, what caused you to introspect and change your views from when you were younger?
11 posted on 08/16/2006 12:25:16 PM PDT by M1Tanker (Proven Daily: Modern "progressive" liberalism is just National Socialism without the "twisted cross")
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To: M1Tanker
PS. My best to your children. I will hopefully be there with them in Iraq (maybe Afghanistan too) in a few months.

Prayers are with you. You described the spectrum very well. People should keep in mind that a lot of the poly sci graphs out there are made by people who a left slanted view.

12 posted on 08/16/2006 2:26:27 PM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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