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Ideas & Trends: Is It the Drunk or the Drink Doing the Talking?
NY Times Week in Review ^ | August 6, 2006 | JOHN SCHWARTZ

Posted on 08/06/2006 4:40:59 AM PDT by Pharmboy

DID Mel Gibson mean it?

Did he mean it when he said, according to a sheriff’s report of his arrest on suspicion of drunken driving, that “The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world”? Or when he asked the arresting deputy, “Are you a Jew?”

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So where, exactly, did those words come from? ...snip...Was this alcohol-fueled soliloquy an ugly insight into Mr. Gibson’s character — in other words, in vino veritas? Or was it just the tequila talking?

Science, as it happens, has been hard at work trying to understand ...if...alcohol can make people do, and say, stupid things. But does it make people say things that they do not believe at all, snip...

Experts generally suggest that the answer is “Nope.”

When asked where those vicious words came from, Dr. Kevin J. Corcoran, a psychology researcher who has studied the effects of alcohol on perception and judgment, replied, simply, “his mouth.”

Dr. Corcoran said comments do not spring from nothing; for example, Dr. Corcoran said, he himself would not make anti-Semitic statements under the influence of alcohol.

“I say other outrageous things when I’m drunk,” he said.

He added that Mr. Gibson “may not fully believe” his statements about Jews, “but they were waiting to be delivered,” once his inhibitions were lowered and he was subjected to the stress of being pulled over by the police.

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Alcohol suppresses the prefrontal cortex and the cerebellum, said Dr. Nora D. Volkow, the director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, who declined to comment specifically on the Gibson case.

snip.. The prefrontal cortex “is normally making an assessment of the appropriateness of your acts,” she said, modulating desires and urges. After a couple of drinks, Dr. Volkow said, suppressing such impulses becomes much harder.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drinking; gibson; inhibitions; looselips; nytreasontimes
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1 posted on 08/06/2006 4:41:00 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: soccermom

Ping...(hic)...


2 posted on 08/06/2006 4:41:42 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy

Thank God! - another Mel Gibson thread. I was having withdrawal over here.

Thanks again!


3 posted on 08/06/2006 4:43:07 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: Pharmboy

Usually, it's the wife doing the talking...


*ducks*


4 posted on 08/06/2006 4:45:09 AM PDT by thoughtomator (The worst thing about censorship is XXXXXXXXXXXXX)
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To: Pharmboy

In the future post in a less blurry font, willya?


5 posted on 08/06/2006 4:49:10 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (http://www.dansimmons.com/news/message/2006_04.htm)
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To: Pharmboy
From another thread:

"Responding to Cavuto's suggestion that alcohol is a "truth serum," (Jackie) Mason said: "You've got to be a moron; you gotta be the phoniest, wretched fraud in the world to claim that it's a 'truth serum.' If it's your family or your friends and they say something in a drunken state, you say, 'Hey, he was drunk,' and you forget about it. In a drunken state, you might bang your head against the wall; does that mean you really want to break your head? You might go into a car ... I want to ask you a question: Did you ever notice how people beg a guy not to drink when he's drunk and he drives anyway because he doesn't even know he's drunk and he doesn't even know he shouldn't be driving and he doesn't even know that 10 seconds later, he's dead?" --

Well said........

Alcohol allows some deep-seated thoughts to be exposed at times ............. BUT nearly as often the bull that is spewed when a person is wasted......... is JUST THAT ....... total BULL!

Take it from a real pro.

;-)

6 posted on 08/06/2006 4:53:40 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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To: Pharmboy
G. Alan Marlatt, director of the Addictive Behaviors Research Center at the University of Washington, said ...............Inebriation is a temporary state

...... not if you're diligent enough to keep drinking.

;-)

7 posted on 08/06/2006 4:58:25 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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To: Pharmboy
Which is why the best explanation for Mr. Gibson’s comments may come from the exquisite Italian phrase for misspeaking. Instead of saying “oops,” they say “mi è scappato.” It means, literally, “It escaped from me.”

.......... like a fart.

8 posted on 08/06/2006 4:59:55 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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To: mdmathis6

Er, you were saying...


9 posted on 08/06/2006 5:00:34 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: don-o; beyond the sea

Nope...this is about what alchol can or cannot do. For me the key point here was the professor saying that the perpertrators (here, coincidentally, Mel) may very well NOT believe what they said under the influence. So, in an important way this is a defense of Mel. If it were merely another bash and trash story I would NOT have posted it.


10 posted on 08/06/2006 5:02:17 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy
Mel's cool.

If I may say so (I see flames coming)......... oh, never mind.

It's really too hard to explain correctly in a short time, and I must go outside and work.

11 posted on 08/06/2006 5:07:27 AM PDT by beyond the sea (The truth exists even when ignored.)
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To: Pharmboy
Yss, science weighed in and noted that your pre-frontal cortex is cut out of the loop.

Which means, of course, you aren't at home.

End of story.

12 posted on 08/06/2006 5:09:29 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: muawiyah

Good summary. Yes...that is indeed an important part of the story and why I posted it.


13 posted on 08/06/2006 5:13:31 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy
Was this alcohol-fueled soliloquy an ugly insight into Mr. Gibson’s character — in other words, in vino veritas? Or was it just the tequila talking?

When the booze goes in the truth comes out.

In my younger days whenever I drank to excess about the only lie I could ever maintain was that of course I would still respect her in the morning. Any other fib was too much work.

14 posted on 08/06/2006 5:17:57 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Pharmboy
In vino veritas, attributed to Plato.
15 posted on 08/06/2006 5:19:40 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: razorback-bert
Plato must have been drunk to be speaking in Latin...

(:-D

16 posted on 08/06/2006 5:21:13 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy
When the prefrontal cortex shuts down you just never know what to expect.

Supposedly I speak German.

17 posted on 08/06/2006 5:22:53 AM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: beyond the sea
Yes, yes and yes. Another pro agrees.
18 posted on 08/06/2006 5:29:19 AM PDT by Syberyenta
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To: Pharmboy

So, when I was really drunk years ago, and was telling the hippie girls at my table that I was a member of the American Nazi Party (Is there such a thing?), that was true? That's what they thought conservatives were, so I gave them what they wanted.

Gibson is a depressed drunk who has been called a Jew hater pretty consistently for a few years now. He also has to try to smooth over the comments of his kook father. I think it was a matter of "You want a f____ing anti-semite, I'll show you a f___ing anti-semite!!!" Anyone who has been around a few drunks can easily see this as quite plausible. I don't think these "experts" have ever been in a bar.


19 posted on 08/06/2006 6:04:43 AM PDT by cdcdawg
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To: cdcdawg

Please see number 10 above...


20 posted on 08/06/2006 6:07:40 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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