[sergeantdave]

Wow! A judge that understands probable cause, common law custom during war time and the 4th amendment. Maybe we can stop patting down grannies in wheelchairs and focus on suspects that might be hauling bombs.

[sharkhawk]

Read the ticket. All tickets for sporting events, concerts etc. have boilerplate stating you may be refused entry for any reason the management decides. Almost every concert I have been to in the past 25 years pats down people to ensure nobody is bringing in contraband. In fact police officers never do the pat down, and most municipalities won't let their officers do the search because of liabilities unique to Govt agents. Although in the Chicago case there is some question because the City owns Soldier Field.

[Always Right]

Wow! A judge that understands probable cause, common law custom during war time and the 4th amendment. Maybe we can stop patting down grannies in wheelchairs and focus on suspects that might be hauling bombs.

They are going into a private establishment, this has nothing to do with the Constitution.

[dljordan]

"Wow! A judge that understands probable cause, common law custom during war time and the 4th amendment. Maybe we can stop patting down grannies in wheelchairs and focus on suspects that might be hauling bombs."

I agree with you. Where does it stop?

[af_vet_rr]

Wow! A judge that understands probable cause, common law custom during war time and the 4th amendment. Maybe we can stop patting down grannies in wheelchairs and focus on suspects that might be hauling bombs.

Not really directed at you, but I'm not a fan of the phrase "during war time" because this is a war that will never end - I've heard people act like anything connected to the war is a temporary thing, when it's not. This war has been going on for hundreds, if not a thousand plus years, and sometimes it's very visible, sometimes it's not - what's changed is that we are now participating in it.

That being said, you're right. We should focus on where it matters most - not the grannies the grannies in the wheelchairs, not my mother at the airport, but things like the border, etc.

In other words, let's stop them before they get a chance to get to the stadiums or to the amusement parks. Our government may think there is no threat, which would explain why our government hasn't really worried about the border since 9/11 (except when forced to by the public) - the whole jump through hoops crap at the airports is simply the cheap and easy way (and very visible) way for the government to say "see, we are doing something". They may focus on the airports and ports because that's what was used on 9/11 - had the 9/11 terrorists slipped across the border and loaded some 18 wheelers with homemade explosives, then the focus might be on the border and the trucking industry, instead of the aiports, but I digress.