Bush Frees Up Flag Displays

AP ^ | 7/24/6

[Soaring Feather]

Bumping President Bush!

[Arkinsaw]

I don't have a lawn. We chose English gardens. But niether do we shit in the streets.

I haven't yet had a need to sign away my individual and property rights to keep my neighbors from excreting in the streets. But perhaps you exaggerate for effect.

I am not so much worried about you trading your rights for no excrement in the street. I am more worried about the concept spreading, and being required, so that free-minded people no longer have a choice but to sign away their rights as you have in order to live in parts of the United States.

[Arkinsaw]

Well the folks in Beverly Hills and Malibu decided to live there and apparently can afford to live there.

Has nothing to do with Homeowner's Associations spreading to the point where they limit the choice of others.

Personally I wouldn't live in Berkley because I can't afford it, and don't like CA to begin with. Boxer and Feinstein are enough to keep anyone of that state. These are reasons why I CHOOSE not to live there.

Your personal CHOICE not to live in Berkeley has nothing to do with the general availability of choice for those who might want to live there because of some opportunity.

BTW, I do own a cabin in the Rocky Mountains near Breckenridge. And there are ZERO restrictions there other than starting forest fires.

Great, but nothing to do with the concept that an area can be restricted by saturation of Homeowner's Associations to the point where you have to give up rights to live and work in the area.

Suppose you move in next to me here on Lake James, and build a shack, paint itpurple and drain oil in the street, leave gutted deer hanging from the front porch for the turkey vultures to dine on. I'd have a problem. But you are in your Constitutional rights. That's true. But by the same token you agreed not to do these things in accepting the rules and conditions living in theis subdivision. If you don't like the criteria, then you have the choice of declining.

You are perfectly free to advocate restricting all those things provided that you do so under the authority of the government that we have set up, a government that has Constitutional restrictions on what it can and cannot do and how it can do it and that has court oversight and access to due process. Homeowner's Associations do not. We see the abuses of these bodies in the press, and posted here quite often.

You continue to say its a choice, when my argument is that governments are starting to REQUIRE new development fall under these, that they are spreading, and that saturation would lead to restricted choice for those who do not want to sign away their rights just to live somewhere in the United States. You continue to ignore that.

Ever sign a contract? Ever sign a lease, or a purchase to buy agreement? There are conditions.

Fallacy. I am not leasing MY PROPERTY. I am not renting MY PROPERTY to buy. That is someone else's property until it becomes mine and they are free to restrict me. But once it becomes mine....they cannot govern me, or govern my use of that property.

My children are not allowed to cuss in front of their mother. If they do, I smack 'em. Thiose are the condidiotns. If they don't like it they can leave.

Fallacy. Your relations with your children have nothing to do with general property rights or the restrictions of GOVERNMENT action.

If you need further examples and analogies, you need help in logic.

Most of you analogies have absolutely nothing to do with the social or legal implications of what I am saying. Nothing.

[Valin]

One of these day someones going to try this with the wrong person then......
Burt Gummer: Guess you broke into the wrong God damn rec room, didn't ya!

[mysterio]

Awesome. I hope the bill gets expanded to bar them from forcing people to sign when they move into an area. All HOAs should be voluntary. Signing away all property rights as a condition of sale is not voluntary.

Freedom is useless if you spend your whole existance under they tyranny of a petty bunch of angry little authoritarians that don't want you to have a tool shed and will stop at nothing to prevent you from having one.

[pollyannaish]

they really are so intellectually crippled they believe the President can only do one thing at a time.

And that any progress on any issue except the "one and only issue I care about" is just pandering. Not to mention they constantly tell us that they don't always disagree with the President. They are just smarter and more discerning. Actually, however, they are completely and utterly laughable. As well as completely and utterly inconsequential.