San Diego cross may provide national legal test - Mt. Soledad

AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 7/22/06 | Allison Hoffman - ap

[NormsRevenge]

The Mount Soledad Memorial Association

[lilylangtree]

Jay Sekulow of ACLJ, the org that can kick the ACLU's butt, had a petiton online about this cross to save it. The whole situation is an affront to the veterans and to the people of San Diego, and ACLU's is doing the slapping. Anyway, I signed Sekulow's petition. Anything to stop ACLU.

[Pylon]

[gondramB]

>>"It's pretty clear you can't display a Latin cross 365 days a year on top of city hall," said Douglas Laycock, a church-state expert at the University of Texas law school. "But this cross isn't at city hall, and it's been there for a long time."<<

I don't get this. Why has it become relevant how old a religious expression is - why did we lose the right of religious expression at some arbitrary point in American history - "This monument is protected but this one was built 10 years later - after freedom of religion was taken away so down it comes."

[madprof98]

Stop the ACLU? Sounds good here, but just yesterday I was caught up in a long, long thread here where most of the FReepers were praising the ACLU to the skies for defending their sacred right to shack up. It sometimes seems as if this is two different forums--one made up of traditional-values conservatives and the other of libertine/libertarians who have as much contempt for those values as liberals do.

Given those divisions among self-styled conservatives, it's not hard to see why the liberals are able to tear down the crosses in America, both literally and figuratively.

[NormsRevenge]

why did we lose the right of religious expression at some arbitrary point in American history?

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good question.

[Iam1ru1-2]

Isn't it amazing how the ACLU (Against Christian Liberties Unanimously) said nothing when a CA school forced their students to become Muslims for a whole week, adopting Muslim names, uttering prayers to Allah, and even conducting a Jihad, or saying nothing when an idol of a Mexican pagan god was erected in the middle of a city square in CA, paid for by tax dollars on gov't property?

[EagleUSA]

The ACLU remains our "legalized" version of terrorists in America --- attacking everything that IS AMERICA. While, of course, our despicable Washington government just looks on and keeps supporting the ACLU, and all of its anti-Americanism.

[JCEccles]

I want to use that photo, or one like it, for the front of a post card after SCOTUS has decided the cross can remain. On the anniversary of the decision each year every year I will send it to the 100 most obnoxious atheist libertarians in America with short note: "Thinking of you on this glorious First Amendment day."

[RobbyS]

The age is relevant in that it demonstrates how deeply grounded Christianity is in American society. How deeply can be seen is the fact that the graves at so many cemeteries are decorated by crosses.

[Congressman Billybob]

I am pleased to tell my colleagues on this board that I have been involved in the Soledad Cross case in three ways. First, I indirectly advised the San Diego City Attorneys Office on how to file its request for Emergency Relief from the US Supreme Court.

I have sought such relief in several cases, and had it both denied, and granted. The City Attorneys Office had no experience in such steps.

I also wrote sections of appeals briefs in both the state and federal appeals of court orders telling the City that it had to tear down the Cross.

If the Senate follows the lead of the House and passes the bill to have the Cross taken over by the Department of Defense, that should defang the litigation which was directed at the (current) owner, San Diego. If so, the ACLU will probably mount a new legal challenge, suing the federal government this time.

Whatever happens, this issue will eventually wind up in the Supreme Court. And I believe, based on certain decisions of the new Roberts Court, that it will uphold this as a war memorial.

P.S. Interested in a Freeper in Congress? Keep in touch with me.

Congressman Billybob

Latest article: "Stupidity about WW III: 'Here's your Sign' "

Please see a new statement on running for Congress, here.

[Tailgunner Joe]

We put up a flag and the memorial walls so that we could satisfy the court's concern that a visitor from Kansas could tell it was a war memorial and not the Christian church promoting religion

But it wasn't enough. ACLU liberals recoil from the cross like vampires. It's the very sight of the cross that offends them because they hate the one true Lord and His followers.

Since the cross is not a law passed by congress regarding the establishment of a national religion, it is not unconstitutional.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Next the christophobic gay-CLU will be smashing the crosses off the headstones at Arlington cemetery and insist that their vandalism is protected freedom of speech.

[gondramB]

>>The age is relevant in that it demonstrates how deeply grounded Christianity is in American society. How deeply can be seen is the fact that the graves at so many cemeteries are decorated by crosses.<<


Ok, that shows why the age is relevant culturally but it doesn't show why the age should be relevant legally. Why should more recent expressions that include expressions of faith not be allowed? Why should we have less rights now of religious expression?

[EagleUSA]

Next the christophobic gay-CLU will be smashing the crosses off the headstones at Arlington cemetery and insist that their vandalism is protected freedom of speech.
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Would not suprise me -- Communists HATE anything that in any way holds them accountable for their actions, any system of human moral measurement -- that is WHY they hate Christianity. The ACLU, founded by communists, for communistic purposes, pursues just that path -- anti-Christ, anti-Constitution, anti-America -- anti-ANYTHING that in any way reflects upon accountability for ones actions.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

If the supreme court decides against religious symbols being maintained in public places then a law should be passed to tear down the supreme court building because it is covered with religious symbols!Let the idiot judges set outside with folding lawn chairs and tables to issue their rulings which always say,"the majority be damned"!

[RobbyS]

The word "culture" implies that it is grounded in a form of worship. If stare decisis means anything, it is deference to what has been decided in the past.
That may be taken as injustice, but many a fortune presently enjoyed by respectable familes is founde don the misdeeds of their ancestors. That doesn't mean that we should try to take those fortunes from them.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Give me a break. You know damn well that this and the co-habitation thread are two seperate things.

The lengths you people will go to in order to impose your view of morality on others.

[TChad]

[madprof98]

The lengths you people will go to in order to impose your view of morality on others.

YOU PEOPLE??? Christians are now YOU PEOPLE on FReeRepublic, of all places???