‘Older Brother’ Study Is Unscientific, Analysts Say (Homosexuals)

Concerned Women for America ^ | 7/21/06 | Robert Knight

[wagglebee]

The militant homosexual movement wants their degenerate lifestyle to be "normal" and they will do anything to try to establish it as such.

[wagglebee]

HA Ping.

[DBeers]

Thanks for the ping.

[Steely Tom]

The militant homosexual movement wants their degenerate lifestyle to be "normal" and they will do anything to try to establish it as such.

Including the manufacture of evidence that the normal lifestyle is actually degenerate.

[rockrr]

I come from a family of five boys and none of us are homersexurals (although Lance does dress kinda funny...

[wagglebee]

Yep, there were three of us boys in my family and none of us were ever tempted to become a homosexual.

[Tall_Texan]

van den Aardweg writes, "In short, all information on the relevant life-history data and developmental-psychological factors of these pivotal raised-apart boys is painfully missing. This unpardonable neglect makes any attempt at interpretation a mere groping in the dark."

Curious choice of words...

[gidget7]

ALL their studies are rubbish, as are many other so called scientific studies. Still they will be lauded as ground breaking, and quoted as statistics over and over and over. Any lie told often enough, they believe, becomes true.

And we Americans are stupid, silly little fools who will buy their propaganda, or so they think.

[joem15]

Homersexuals are more inclined to like, "um! donuts", than they are inclined to like people of the same sex.

[gidget7]

I got you beat, my family had 7 sons, and in fact my brother is the seventh son of the seventh son, and none of either generation is gay, nor are any produced by them.

[Tax-chick]

Tell me again why we're supposed to respect "scientists"?

[DBeers]

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A study contending that boys with older brothers are biologically more likely to be homosexual has been challenged by a Canadian psychiatrist who dismisses the study as "rubbish," and by a Dutch psychologist who says the claims are "unsubstantiated."

Joseph Berger, a Distinguished Life Fellow with the American Psychiatric Association, and a member of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality's (NARTH) Scientific Advisory Committee, says in an article posted on NARTH's website that the study is "absolute utter rubbish" and "should never have been published."

YET -published it was AND touted in hundreds of headlines it was... Just like the recent "Lesbian Brain" study - ROTFLMAO

I do not envision that this version of the news will get as much fanfare -it never does...

[wagglebee]

Chortle

Snicker

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[John Lenin]

[MarcusTulliusCicero]

Although, to be fair, neither Dr. Berger nor Dr. van der Aardweg could be called impartial critics. They each have their own particular hobby horses to peddle. A more persuasive criticism of the study would be an evaluation of the data and conclusions by actual geneticists and statisticians. This particular study, as I remember, is simply correlational and the authors make the classic mistake of concluding cause and effect from correlation, which is a big statistical faux pas. This is done every day when associating things like caffeine intake and cardiovascular disease or cancer. It is reported as cause and effect when no such conclusion can be validly reached based on correlation. Also, these two doctors seem not to know the difference between genetic and prenatal. The study made no claims for a genetic basis for homosexuality, but instead concluded something in the prenatal environment was causing the effect. (The most obvious factor that could account for this would be changes in hormonal levels in the womb as a result of the aging of the mother and is something that could actually be tested to support or disprove Bogaert's conclusions.)

Also, how much do you want to bet that these same two doctors see no problem with the whole global warming hoax which is based on similar "levels" of proof?

[DBeers]

Although, to be fair

The point is that science is not fair. If the science is sound THEN motive matters not -- IF the science is junk THEN motive matters. Regardless in either case, motive does not make or break the science IT makes or breaks the "scientist"...

[little jeremiah]

They care nothing for truth (we know that already). All they want is face time with their lies so sheep will swallow the lies whole.

Too bad so few people can reason rationally.

[freespirited]

The author starts by presuming 'evidence' for some sort of biological causation of homosexuality.

I've read the study. I'd have to say that this criticism is groundless. If anythimg. it is these critics who start with a conclusion.

The study was not "rubbish" at all. It was done well.

You don't do a scientific study to prove what you want to believe. You do it to find out what the facts are, whether you like them or not.

[Intolerant in NJ]

...the only category that showed a possible determinant for homosexuality was the presence of older, biological brothers...mothers hoping for daughters have yet more sons, subtly overprotect and feminize these youngest sons to help fulfill their wishes, sons become "gay" - QED: family dynamics in cohorts of older/younger sons lead to homosexuality......

[CondiArmy]

I think that if I had been "reared" with my "older brother" I would have a good chance of being gay, also.