[ncountylee]

If Lieberman is thrown overboard I believe many Jews will leave the Party.

Doubt that. The democrats have been weak on support for Israel for decades but still enjoy high Jewish loyalty.

[ClaireSolt]

To me, Pat Cadell said it best, when, during the 2000 vote recount he exclaimed, "The party of my grandfather has been taken over by gangsters." Maybe this is the first time in the history of the spoils system of political machines based on patronage that a huge cadre of retired, self-important, infantile clients assert themselves. Forget about democracy. They don't believe in it.

What they should do is reform, but instead their party is collapsing just like their boondoggle the Big Dig. And as they went to bat against the Dubai ports deal on behalf of the longshoremen, the justice department petitioned a court to take over the union and rid it of gangsterism.

Their problems aren't about liberalism or religion. They are about the fact that a lot of them are just crooks.