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1 posted on 07/21/2006 10:52:34 AM PDT by zaxxon
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People like that used to be called savages. Now they're considered are moral equals if not superiors. Will western civilization wake up?


2 posted on 07/21/2006 10:54:39 AM PDT by Maynerd
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And whe was the last time you heard of a Christian honor killing?


3 posted on 07/21/2006 10:55:25 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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I think there is a wide disparity between a moral society that respects life and a society which runs on a fanatic religion that does not respect life.


4 posted on 07/21/2006 10:56:14 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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Muslims believe in something that is the polar opposite of Christianity.

For Example:

Muslim works to get to heaven vs Christian grace to get to heaven

Muslim conversion by man vs Christian conversion by spirit

Muslim "moon god" vs Christian "Son god"

Muslim "Allah's will" vs Christian "free choice"

Mohammed on the other hand - himself was a cruel man who committed numerous atrocities and created a religion based not on love, but cruelty to non-believers. And, that god will attract all that worship at the altar of depravity, cruelty, torture, and death to others.

Leaving aside the religious differences, Islam kills every society it comes in contact with. It instills fatalism, a virtual caste system because of its hereditary religious structure, and induces total paralysis because of its hatred of music, art and creativity.

The Western-Christian world view deals with the issues of guilt and salvation, a concept that is completely unimportant in the East and Mulsims

Instead, great importance is given to 'honor'. I consider that to be problematic. It is underestimated how many Islamists consciously or unconsciously attempt to restore lost honor.

It is critical to remember that in Islam you can’t simply ask Allah for forgiveness, he requires action not remorse. Mohammed was a prophet not a savior so you can’t ask him for forgiveness or salvation either.

However the Koran does offer a path to salvation and redemption through jihad and restoring "lost honor."


5 posted on 07/21/2006 10:59:07 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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The death cult has shown its ugly face yet again. Unless Europe stops its honeymoon with unrestricted immigration of muslims, they are bound to get into a civil war pretty soon.


9 posted on 07/21/2006 11:06:14 AM PDT by An_Indian
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What right have Muslims to claim moral superiority?

They don't. Just like liberals, they simply say they have it despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

12 posted on 07/21/2006 11:13:13 AM PDT by dirtboy (Glad to see the ink was still working in Bush's veto pen, now that he wisely used it on this bill)
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Brutal savages!


14 posted on 07/21/2006 11:16:46 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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This is why the evil cult if Islam must be wiped from the face of the Earth. I trust no Muslim. When I see one, I assume that they are up to no good. I will not associate with them, be friends with them, talk or work with them if I can help it. Our country should use the full military might of the US to wipe this scourage from the face of the Earth.


19 posted on 07/21/2006 11:35:37 AM PDT by SALChamps03
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Where are the so-called "moderate Muslims?" Why don't they ever denounce "honor killings"? Is it because they approve of them? Islam is a disease. Muslims need a moral enema to clean out their souls.


30 posted on 07/21/2006 1:54:36 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY ((((Truth shall set you free))))
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This particular subject is something not worth discussing. A short sneer should suffice.


32 posted on 07/21/2006 3:34:34 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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post #5.....right-on!!! thank you

Your first sentence sums it up perfectly.

Some might ask how do I know this.

Well, as Christians we believe in what has been revealed about God, as in His Word in both the Old Testament and the New Testament, the New Testament being the greater and final revelation through His Son Jesus Christ.

We understand God as being absolute perfection hence His nature, His characteristics.
Jesus says "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by me."

If God is absolute perfection, that means He can't change to something less than perfection.
This means His Truth, His Word is absolute. God does not lie or deceive or even permit such sin in His presence.
God does not change and this is why we can say that morality does not change but rather our perception of morality is what changes.
He did not reveal His Gospel truths to mankind in one age and then 600 years later contradict Himself by revealing another so called set of truths. That is ridiculous, blasphemous and against His nature.

Anyone who thinks God would take delight in torturing,
misleading His relatively tiny helpless creatures has to be demented.

We do not worship the same God. Claiming otherwise exhibits great ignorance, be they Moslem or Christian. Another huge untruth today is that all religions are the same.

The Quran & Hadith reveal the real source of this perdition called Islam. Mohammed didn't know that Lucifer can appear as an angel of light. He had only a brief understanding of the Jewish scriptures and even less understanding of the gospels. The scriptures were plagiarized, reworded, mixed up (because he forgot parts of that which had been told him by Jews in communities near Medina or Mecca - he was illiterate) and basically used some bible characters to fit his agenda which in his last ten years developed into a demented rage, hate filled with revenge.
In fact he claimed that the scriptures were initially Moslem and the Jews subsequently changed them.
By the way - his revenge became very profitable for himself and his followers.

If Mohammed was a prophet (profit) then he stood for the wrong side. He most certainly was a great con artist.

The source for the present day hatred of the Jewish people goes right back to Mohammed.
The reason being that the Jews ridiculed him for his misuse of the scriptures and for their stubborn refusal to convert to Islam and believe his hallucinations, his foolish sayings that supposedly came from allah (pre Islamic moon god ar-Rahman who resided in the black stone in the Kabah).
The Satanic verses actually apply to the whole Quran. Satan loves to deceive by taking some of the truth and distorting it to serve his purposes.

Islam is spiritual slavery.
The Moslem relationship to allah is: slave to master
This slave/master relationship is also expressed in the subordination of half the population - women.
Islam uses the tools of pride, fear, deception, repression, ignorance and force to survive, otherwise it would have disappeared long ago. It will not tolerate criticism because criticism leads to questioning and investigation which will eventually expose the truth.

On reading the Quran:
The quran is not ordered chronologically, it is all mixed up... the real order was unknown, forgotten.

It is mostly a rant (doom & hellfire) against unbelievers or fear warning against apostasy.

By itself, it makes little sense. It requires various Hadith (tradition, explanation, interpretation) written centuries later to give it meaning and any sense of chronological order.


By the above I am not condemning the Moslem people, but I do condemn the system that corrupts so many.

Your last sentence referring to "lost honor" is about PRIDE and as Christians we know that pride is the root of all evil (not money) as it was in the beginning. Because of pride many have died.


33 posted on 07/21/2006 3:51:54 PM PDT by 99Floyd
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These are not human beings. They are below the animals.


34 posted on 07/21/2006 3:54:45 PM PDT by ladyinred (The NYTimes, hang 'em high!)
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Absolutely none. Christians worship the Alpha and the Omega, not a psychopathic beduin pagan deity.


35 posted on 07/21/2006 6:09:14 PM PDT by The Cuban
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