Thank you for your clarification, and I'm sorry that I missed your meaning.
All is well now, have a whisky on me :-)
Posted on 07/21/2006 10:49:04 AM PDT by Stoat
In a traffic accident, the person who had the last opportunity to avoid the accident, but did not, is often deemed to be at fault.
The guy who hooks up with a gender bender had the opportunity not to.
Absolutely. And one is being ignored. That is that these people are engaging in dangerous behaviour by lying about who they really are. It's the root cause for the violence.
A quote from the article:"We need to be able to understand who the victims are and explain why who they are can never be argued as a justification for their demise," said San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris,
The problem is that neither can it be discounted. And that's what they are trying to do, excuse lying.
I don't understand murdering a person for their deception but can certainly understand a pop in the jaw.
From the article: As many as 200 prosecutors and law enforcement officers are expected to attend the event, which is sponsored by gay, lesbian and transgender groups
Wouldn't it be smarter to tell them that deceiving someone could end in violence or death? Rather than discuss strategies to counter the "gay panic" or "transgender panic" defenses used in courtrooms to gain acquittals or reduced punishments for violent crimes. They see it as a simple "deception". I see it as a very dangerous lie and a kind of russian roulette.
Are you suggesting that society should regard it as being perfectly okay when a cross-dresser misrepresents themselves to you in such an expert fashion that an intelligent man (or woman) can't tell the difference? Some of them are quite skilled in modifying their appearance, and most people would be quite hard-pressed to tell for sure.
Should such an expert liar have absolutely zero responsibility in the matter when they are dealing with such a potentially volatile issue as interpersonal sexual relationships?
Superbly stated, thank you.
Why are you excusing the behaviour of tricksters?
Well, that's because you're a complete homophobe. That's the real root cause of the problem. If they can eliminate the rampant homophobia that is (still) so prevalent in the country, there might be hope for you. And me.
In a conversation with a female friend of mine, years ago, she related that once, in order to cool a male's ardor, she had quietly whispered in his ear "I was a man once."
You're welcome. This is nothing more than a ploy to absolve liars of any responsibilty in the deception. It's excusing dangerous behaviour and that's foolish.
Well, that's because you're a complete homophobe. That's the real root cause of the problem. If they can eliminate the rampant homophobia that is (still) so prevalent in the country, there might be hope for you. And me.
No, it's because I'm a normal, healthy, sane guy. And I'm not a person who engages in ad-hominem name calling toward people I don't know.
ichabod1 was teasing you.
Sorry, i was imagining the tactic that a homo-leninist would use. No offense intended. That's why I put the "And me." at the end.
Thank you for your clarification, and I'm sorry that I missed your meaning.
All is well now, have a whisky on me :-)
Ahhh... very good. I should have put the lisp in there like Rush does and then there would have been no confusion.
I was in the AF, at Vandenberg AFB. 25 yo.
A guy who got out ot the AF was a friend. We both loved to work on cars.
One afternoon, after too much beer, we both passed out on my couches.
I awoke to find him massaging my privates. I beat the shit out of him.
Perhaps I should have called the cops, or did the cival court thing. Beating the shit out of him was the right choice.
If I met a girl, and had some kind of sex, or for that matter, even kissed her, and found out she was a he, the beating would be much worse.
I would want to kill that person.
No, it isn't surprising if a woman dresses like a slut that she gets what she deserves. The difference (and I think this is what the prior poster was trying to state) is that in the woman's case, the law is on her side if she is dressed like a slut, gets what she deserves and then is upset about it. In the case of the guy, the law is against him if he defends himself from a transsexual.
And I in no way am endorsing anyone's stupid decision to have a one-night stand with a stranger, or really anyone they aren't married to.
Why are you excusing the behaviour of tricksters?
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Please point to any comment I've made excusing the behavior of the trickster.
My focus on this thread is on the behavior of the person who hooks up with someone they obviously know nothing about. A topic that usually is supported here on FR, personal responsibility. I cannot blame the trickster for my crappy judgement, and since I have made a really stupid decision, I, and only I, am responsible for that.
The situation would not happen unless or until the "normal, heterosexual male" makes a decision using only guidance from his penis instead of his brain.
You cannot pretend that a person exercising good judgement would find himself in this situation.
How many posts have you made?
My focus on this thread is on the behavior of the person who hooks up with someone they obviously know nothing about. A topic that usually is supported here on FR, personal responsibility.
This is definately about responsibility. It was the initial actions of the tricksters that is responsible for the violent reactions.
The situation would not happen unless or until the "normal, heterosexual male" makes a decision using only guidance from his penis instead of his brain.
The initial action is a person that purposely set out to deceive.
Thank you very much for serving our country :-)
What a terrible, horrific event you were subjected to. I believe that I would feel the same way as you and would most likely do what you did as well. For a healthy man, such a thing is possibly the deepest violation that can be experienced.
I am guessing that ladies would want to do the same to rapists and molesters if they had the physical strength or the means to do so. Any Ladies care to comment on this?
The infuriating thing about this, for me, is that this 'conference' is a thinly-veiled attempt to legitimize cross-dressers lying about their true identities in order to get society's blessing to do the awful things that they do. Once again, special rights are being demanded for perverts.
It's absolutely sickening.
I would nitpick if you'll let me?
I would change it to " the law is on her side if she is dressed like a slut, gets what she deserves looks to be asking for ".
Gotcha, if I don't agree with you, I'm defending the trickster. That, of course, is a crock.
Are you really suggesting that your reaction to [fill in the blank] is not something you control?
You want to focus on the actions of the gender bender, that's fine, but don't pretend that an appropriate response is violence under those circumstances.
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