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Boy lived within arsenal of 98 guns: 11-year-old, dad and grandmom charged in shooting of playmate
Star Ledger ^ | 07.13.06 | TOM HAYDON

Posted on 07/15/2006 8:35:57 PM PDT by Coleus

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To: americanstrategist

" but once you buy 98 of them, then you know that something is very wrong."

Just WHERE do you draw the line, oh mighty discerning one?


41 posted on 07/15/2006 10:15:08 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian ( You anti-American socialists can stop calling yourselves Democrats now. ><BCC>NRA)
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To: americanstrategist
People who are of good moral character have the right to own a weapon,...

looked and looked and didn't see moral character in the 2nd Amendment.
42 posted on 07/15/2006 10:16:05 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: Sir Gawain
Children up to what age? Ever been on a farm? Ever been outside the city?

Or ever know any cops? Every one I've have ever known had guns hid in every roon and their kids knew better than to touch them.

43 posted on 07/15/2006 10:17:33 PM PDT by tertiary01 (The latest business model: Socialize the costs- privatize the profits,)
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To: KarinG1
...tanned my hide.

Lucky you. Some dads would have removed a portion of your hide. LOL

44 posted on 07/15/2006 10:19:28 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: paul51
"I have no problem at all with 98 guns. I have a major problem with any loaded weapons unsecured around children."

At 11 years old not only was I around "unsecured and loaded" firearms, I was charged with cleaning and checking to see they were ready to fire. My grandpa always kept loaded weapons in the home for emergencies. And so did my father.

I also knew how to shoot a weapon and where to aim to stop an intruder at that age.

45 posted on 07/15/2006 10:25:16 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: freedomlover

Say, I have a bridge for sale for only $200. I bought it when I was in the 8th grade, wanna buy it??


46 posted on 07/15/2006 10:29:04 PM PDT by Atchafalaya (When you're there, that's the best!!)
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To: Coleus

While citizens have the right the own weaponry, is 98 guns necessary? (rhetorical question).


47 posted on 07/15/2006 10:31:11 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Shooter 2.5

if the guns were part of a collection, most of them should have been locked up (some could be around for defense, but not all 98).


48 posted on 07/15/2006 10:32:49 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: D1X1E
...parents share responsibility for not teaching him about the weapons.

IMO the parents share MOST of the responsibility. In this case, a father and a grandmother. Eleven-year-olds are children. If any of them (and that's a big IF) should have access to loaded weapons, they are a rare few.

49 posted on 07/15/2006 10:32:56 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
if the guns were part of a collection, most of them should have been locked up (some could be around for defense, but not all 98).

So your saying, that if a person collects, lets say TV's, that most should be locked up, some could be around for watching, but not all 98.

50 posted on 07/15/2006 10:39:04 PM PDT by mountn man (Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is optional.)
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To: TomServo
Why don't you walk around FR with a "Kick Me" sign on your back?;-)

I'd guess your "advice" is tongue-in-cheek or, maybe, half-fun, whole earnest.

FR gives conservative-minded folks an opportunity to interact on any subject that interests them. The downside is that some Freepers, by no means all, come off as possessive, as in, "This is OUR domain and we don't like newbies."

To which I say, "Get off your silly high horse. You don't own the site...you just post here like everyone else."

Insecurity problem? Sure looks like it.

51 posted on 07/15/2006 10:51:34 PM PDT by IIntense
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To: Sir Gawain
Ever been on a farm? Ever been outside the city?

Gee. Never

52 posted on 07/15/2006 11:07:14 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: paul51

Thought so based on your post.


53 posted on 07/16/2006 12:50:31 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: IIntense

I don't know where you're inventing the three years and up argument. The boy was eleven years old.
The authorities also claimed the firearms were "nearly all unsecured" and noted that five firearms were loaded in the father's bedroom. Not all ninety eight were unsecured or loaded.
I also don't buy the idea it was an accident. This was not a semiautomatic that was used. Revolvers don't "hide" the fact they're loaded. It wouldn't be the first time a kid suddenly decided to kill a playmate.


54 posted on 07/16/2006 4:18:46 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

If every single gun in that household was unloaded and locked up except for a single revolver, we would still be reading about how this eleven year old killed a playmate.


55 posted on 07/16/2006 4:23:26 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems. NRA)
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To: americanstrategist
What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." do you disagree with?

You seem more concerned that the father had 98 firearms than that the boy killed his friend.

If the boy had used a hammer instead of a gun, would that have been better? More interestingly - would have you commented on it?

56 posted on 07/16/2006 5:02:09 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Socialists are evil - Democrats are their mindless robots)
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To: americanstrategist
"People who are of good moral character have the right to own a weapon, but once you buy 98 of them, then you know that something is very wrong."

You need to change your screen name to "Un-Americanstrategist".

Thousands of folks have gun collections, including myself. I have far more than 98 rifles of the WWI era alone. The problem isn't with the collection of guns but rather the lack of responsible behavior of the father.

57 posted on 07/16/2006 5:21:05 AM PDT by Godebert
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Posted by un-Americanstrategist:

"People who are of good moral character have the right to own a weapon, but once you buy 98 of them, then you know that something is very wrong."

Posted by metmom:"Welcome to FR. My inclination is to agree."

Your "inclination" is a liberal one. You have one of those "Million-Mom-March" bumper stickers on your mini-van?

58 posted on 07/16/2006 5:31:13 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert

"Thousands of folks have gun collections, including myself. I have far more than 98 rifles of the WWI era alone. The problem isn't with the collection of guns but rather the lack of responsible behavior of the father."


My thoughts exactly. I have more guns than I need, but not as many as I want. Same with guitars.


59 posted on 07/16/2006 6:40:30 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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To: Atchafalaya

"Say, I have a bridge for sale for only $200. I bought it when I was in the 8th grade, wanna buy it??"

I'd have to see the bridge.

Not sure I get the point though. I bought a banjo when I was in the 8th grade which turned out to be a fine investment.


60 posted on 07/16/2006 7:03:21 AM PDT by freedomlover (This tagline has been pulled - - - - OK?)
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