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Graham's faux debate
Charleson Post & Courier ^ | 12 July 2006 | Schuyler Kropf

Posted on 07/12/2006 3:38:13 PM PDT by vikingd00d

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham may have a future as a fiction writer.

He's being accused of fabricating a Senate debate and sending it to the U.S. Supreme Court, which didn't think much of the work. The high court dismissed it.

At issue is an account of an exchange that Sens. Graham, R-S.C., and Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., wrote last year to be inserted into the Congressional Record.

It details what the two lawmakers purported was part of the Senate's debate over why terror detainees held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should not be tried in civilian U.S. courts.

The actual discussion Graham and Kyl inserted in the Record never took place.

But their comments, written more than a month after the actual debate, became part of the terror case filing that went to the Supreme Court.

Reached Tuesday in Washington, Graham said he did nothing improper, contending that senators file amended speeches in debates all the time.

"That's what you do," he said. "You enter it on the record as if it were part of the debate."

Critics, meanwhile, called the Graham-Kyl account unethical.

John Dean, former counsel to President Richard Nixon, writing in the online legal journal FindLaw last week, said he had not seen "so blatant a ploy, or abuse of power, since Nixon's reign."

He called their effort "a bogus colloquy."

Others have said it's not so much that the record was amended but that it was done so in such an ornate fashion.

The Graham-Kyl script supported the Bush administration's legal contention that terror suspects should not be afforded courtroom rights under U.S. law.

That stance was rejected last month after the Supreme Court invalidated the government's system of military trials and, instead, ruled that the detainees must be treated according to international standards.

The case was known as the "Hamdan decision," named for Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a former driver for Osama bin Laden, and a Guantanamo detainee.

Graham and Kyl submitted their Senate account in a "friend of the court" brief, in which the two lawmakers wanted to back the White House on keeping the military trial option.

The two attempted to make the dialogue - added to the Dec. 21, 2005, record - appear real.

Kyl, is quoted at one point as saying, "Mr. President, I see that we are nearing the end of our allotted time."

In another instance, Graham and Kyl inserted Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas in the fabricated Senate floor discussion, saying "If I might interrupt," according to published accounts of the comments.

The issue at hand was the Bush administration's contention that the Detainee Treatment Act disallowed the federal courts oversight of detainees attempting to challenge the government.

The Bush position, and that advanced by Graham and Kyl's comments, was to show that the law passed by Congress was meant to apply to all detainees held by the United States, retroactively. Democrats, meanwhile, said that wasn't the case.

The insertion of the added comments was noted and rejected by the court.

Graham said the criticism of his addition was overblown and that senators often insert scripted remarks.

"I know what I've done. I've done it before and I'll do it again," he said.

As for Dean's criticism: "John Dean speaks for himself in terms of his character and his ethics," Graham said.

Web extras

Read the U. S. Supreme Court ruling, a transcript of arguments and briefs filed in the detainee case at www.charleston.net/webextras

Reach Schuyler Kropf at skropf@postandcourier.com or 937-5551.


TOPICS: Government; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: graham; twinkletoes; ussc
Graham is laughably pathetic.
1 posted on 07/12/2006 3:38:15 PM PDT by vikingd00d
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To: vikingd00d
I hear them do this all the time on C-Span. They say something like, "Mr President I would like to enter my amended speech in the appropriate place in the record."
2 posted on 07/12/2006 3:41:02 PM PDT by msnimje (There is no way we can lose if we stay in Iraq and no way we can win if we cut and run.)
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To: vikingd00d

Sheriff McCains... Barney Fife.


3 posted on 07/12/2006 3:41:52 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: vikingd00d

Lindsey Graham is the Senate's own JAG.

He stabbed the Republican majority in the back during the impeachment trial of the "Former Occupant of the Oval Office, 1993-2001". There was REAL proof of perjury, one of the charges brought up, and Sen. Graham just blithely dismissed it.

And since then, Sen. Graham has not further ingratiated himself with the patriotic Americans in this country.

Maybe he does meet the definition of "conservative". But there are a few gray areas in the degree of his dedication to the rule of law.


4 posted on 07/12/2006 3:48:53 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: upchuck

You'll want to read this.


5 posted on 07/12/2006 3:52:32 PM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our friends in India.)
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To: msnimje
It's one thing to append a speech on after the fact, if appropriately marked. But what I find truly sophomoric is the lame attempt at making it appear as an actual dialogue complete with fake interruptions.
6 posted on 07/12/2006 3:54:31 PM PDT by vikingd00d
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To: vikingd00d

South Carolina is supposed to be a conservative Southern state. What the heck is this twinkle toes doing in the US Senate?


7 posted on 07/12/2006 3:57:49 PM PDT by dennisw (Confucius say man who go through turnstile sideways going to Bangkok.)
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To: johnny7

InSanes' gay poodle.


8 posted on 07/12/2006 4:08:57 PM PDT by samadams2000
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To: vikingd00d

The comments they "made up" were intended to show that the law passed by Congress was meant to apply to all detainees held by the United States, retroactively.

This seems deceptive. Are there any rules on entering comments into the record?


9 posted on 07/12/2006 6:06:26 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Peach; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; acf2906; ..
South Carolina Ping

Add me to the list. | Remove me from the list.
10 posted on 07/12/2006 7:10:10 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Join our Folding@Home team (Team# 36120) keyword: folding)
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To: vikingd00d

Don't worry folks, we here in South Carolina have had enough of ole Linsey Light Shoes...


11 posted on 07/12/2006 9:28:55 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Peach
That stance was rejected last month after the Supreme Court invalidated the government's system of military trials and, instead, ruled that the detainees must be treated according to international standards.

Isn't that a completely inaccurate description of the USSC decision?
12 posted on 07/13/2006 2:59:17 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: samadams2000

Sophomoric ad hominem comments don't contribute to the debate and just make you look foolish.


13 posted on 07/13/2006 3:03:28 AM PDT by visualops (visualops.com)
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To: vikingd00d

He certainly seems to lack respect for the Senate and, consequently, the rest of us....


14 posted on 07/13/2006 3:11:51 AM PDT by mo
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To: visualops

What part is inaccurate? SCOTUS ruled that detainees were to be treated under Geneva Convention rules which is an international standard.


15 posted on 07/13/2006 5:22:19 AM PDT by Peach (Prayers for our friends in India.)
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To: dennisw
He ran as a true conservative. However, he has steadily moved left, primarily parroting McVain. He blocked the filibuster ban on judicial appointments and advocates McVain's amnesty bill. He has also held up an appointment to the federal court of a conservative because McVain didn't like him.

I can't wait for someone, hopefully Ravenel, to run against him.
16 posted on 07/13/2006 5:22:32 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: mo

"He seems to lack respect...for the rest of us."

I know firsthand. Graham's office does not answer critical emails or letters, and when I called his office to protest the `Gang of Fourteen', his staffer began yelling at me and demanded my full name and address. Twice.

This is an arrogant little man.


17 posted on 07/13/2006 3:25:03 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: elcid1970

FWIW I'm waiting for 2 "we'll get back to you" on the Senate Immigration Bill and the selection of the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee."Fool me once shame on you".Never Again! The guy has little people disease.A real twit!


18 posted on 07/27/2006 8:01:26 PM PDT by Jan Hus
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