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How Ken Lay cheated Justice
msn.com ^ | today | forbes.com

Posted on 07/06/2006 3:02:26 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant

With his death from a massive heart attack on Wednesday, Ken Lay cheated justice. And then some. Not only will the Enron founder not end his days in prison, but according to legal precedent, his entire case will be erased from the records.

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Anyone doubting the media wanted a pic of Lay in an orange jumpsuit now?

cheated?
1 posted on 07/06/2006 3:02:27 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Yes, cheated. Because the Left doesn't believe in divine judgment, Ken Lay escaped the only judgment they think he was likely to face... Theirs.


2 posted on 07/06/2006 3:04:01 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: coconutt2000

Ken Lay ruined the lives of thousands of people and helped destroy America's faith in corporate integrity. He damaged the image of many upstanding and charitable CEOs by association.

Had he gone to prison, he would have died there and his ill gotten gains would have gone up in smoke with appeals and other legal fights such as civil suits. But, having died as he did, he has left his wife stocks, bonds, properties, insurance policies and assets that probably can not be touched.

In short, things worked out for him and his family just fine in an ironic sense.


3 posted on 07/06/2006 3:09:26 PM PDT by Baynative (Peace on Earth? ~ Not while there are Muslims on Earth!)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant; A. Pole

It's too bad. It would have been a good example for other theiving corporate cheieftans to see him in an orange jumpsuit.


4 posted on 07/06/2006 3:09:32 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Hey, there was a story on the history channel awhile back about some traitor in England during the middle ages that was dug up, put on trial, and beheaded several years after his death.

I guess the left could push for that...

5 posted on 07/06/2006 3:10:11 PM PDT by apillar
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Unless there is some evidence that
his lawyer had clued him in on this
eradication-of-guilt-after-death
scenario, and Lay actually found some
means of inducing that massive heart
attack, the only possible answer is
that there IS a Higher Power watching
over the lives of us all.

I've always found comfort in that
passage about His eye being on the
sparrow. Somehow the Universe, vast
as it is and even ever-expanding, takes
on a different perspective.


6 posted on 07/06/2006 3:10:43 PM PDT by Grendel9 (u)
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To: coconutt2000
Yes, cheated. Because the Left doesn't believe in divine judgment, Ken Lay escaped the only judgment they think he was likely to face... Theirs.

A very perceptive observation. Good stuff.

7 posted on 07/06/2006 3:12:10 PM PDT by AHerald ("Whoever loves discipline loves knowledge, but he who hates reproof is stupid." - Proverbs 12:1)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Geez. The libs are just dancing on the guy's grave, aren't they? He's paying the ultimate price for his misdeeds now.


8 posted on 07/06/2006 3:13:07 PM PDT by Doohickey (Democrats are nothing without a constituency of victims.)
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To: Baynative
Ken Lay ruined the lives of thousands of people and helped destroy America's faith in corporate integrity. He damaged the image of many upstanding and charitable CEOs by association.

Ken Lay did not operate in a vacuum, his employees were in on the scam. They would scurry to fake trading rooms and act busy to impress investors.

The real tragedy in the Enron case is all of the employees did not get sent to jail. Hearing about the woes of former Enron workers, makes me want to barf.

9 posted on 07/06/2006 3:14:16 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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To: coconutt2000

Either trhat or the big guy upstairs sold his Enron stock before teh crash and called in a favor.


10 posted on 07/06/2006 3:14:19 PM PDT by CzarNicky (In the magical land of unicorns there's no need for clothes.)
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To: Baynative
You said: In short, things worked out for him and his family just fine in an ironic sense. Yep, just like things worked out for Terry Schiavo.....
11 posted on 07/06/2006 3:15:11 PM PDT by KenHorse
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To: Doohickey

That's what they don't understand. They don't understand that there is a price to pay beyond death. It's just like coulter says they're Godless.


12 posted on 07/06/2006 3:16:27 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: Doohickey
Geez. The libs are just dancing on the guy's grave, aren't they?

Actually I think its the opposite. I think the media had such contempt for this guy. not to mention a perp walk in an orange jumpsuit a month before the november elections would leave them salivating.

remeber the media's template. Enron was Bush's fault even though the corruption started in the 90's
13 posted on 07/06/2006 3:16:29 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

"Anyone doubting the media wanted a pic of Lay in an orange jumpsuit now?"

Be on the lookout for the Photo-shopped pix of him in a jumpsuit laying in a coffin. *Rolleyes*


14 posted on 07/06/2006 3:18:28 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: coconutt2000
Yes, cheated. Because the Left doesn't believe in divine judgment, Ken Lay escaped the only judgment they think he was likely to face... Theirs.
15 posted on 07/06/2006 3:18:54 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: coconutt2000

Exactly... the Godless think he got away with it... let'em.


16 posted on 07/06/2006 3:19:20 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
remeber the media's template. Enron was Bush's fault even though the corruption started in the 90's

Whenever the topic comes up, I always point out that the corruption took place during Clinton and Lay was "brought to justice" during Bush.

heheheh

17 posted on 07/06/2006 3:20:50 PM PDT by KenHorse
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To: KenHorse

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18 posted on 07/06/2006 3:21:36 PM PDT by KenHorse
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Does anyone know exactly what Ken Lay did that Congress and the Democrats haven't already done to the rest of the population?


19 posted on 07/06/2006 3:21:51 PM PDT by CMailBag
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To: KenHorse
Whenever the topic comes up, I always point out that the corruption took place during Clinton and Lay was "brought to justice" during Bush

Just like the N.Y. Times! /sarcasm
20 posted on 07/06/2006 3:22:25 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: CMailBag

got caught


21 posted on 07/06/2006 3:22:38 PM PDT by CzarNicky (In the magical land of unicorns there's no need for clothes.)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

I wish I'd seen a photo of Ken Lay in prison washing dishes in an orange jumpsuit. He was a first-class thief (and a convicted one, whatever the "erasure" of the judgment of 12 of his peers) and deserved hard time.


22 posted on 07/06/2006 3:23:03 PM PDT by laconic
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

I really don't understand the Left. If they were really gunning for this guy, why don't they just thank the Universe (Cindy Sheehan style) for passing the guy a death sentence and tap dance on his grave?

Instead, what they reveal is that they are bent on watching their targets (whomever they are and for whatever reasons) suffer for their own enjoyment. Doubtless, they think some human being robbed them of a special treat and are on the lookout for a scapegoat.


23 posted on 07/06/2006 3:23:05 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
With his death from a massive heart attack on Wednesday, Ken Lay cheated justice.

He cheated the Democrats out of an issue this fall, you mean. ;)

24 posted on 07/06/2006 3:23:43 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Ken Lay cheated justice

I'd say Our Lord did that...Ken had very little to do with it. He'd have rather live than die no matter where he was going to end up on earth.

25 posted on 07/06/2006 3:23:50 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Maybe we should take a page from the Russians note book and create a Lay's Tomb? Put him on display so everyone can walk by and spit on him or otherwise show their contempt for him.


26 posted on 07/06/2006 3:24:55 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
He didn't cheat anything. He freakin' died.

The only people feeling cheated are the press who have been using all the misery the Enron fiasco caused to make money.

27 posted on 07/06/2006 3:25:12 PM PDT by wireman
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
Morons Solve Nothing.com

Yea Death is the Ultimate Cheat what a bunch of Morons !

28 posted on 07/06/2006 3:25:17 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ( have long feared that my sins would return to visit me and the cost would be more than I could bear)
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To: laconic
I wish I'd seen a photo of Ken Lay in prison washing dishes in an orange jumpsuit. He was a first-class thief (and a convicted one, whatever the "erasure" of the judgment of 12 of his peers) and deserved hard time.

How would you sleep better if you saw that picture. he Died!!!!. Did he escape prison time? Sure if you want to look at it that way.
29 posted on 07/06/2006 3:25:33 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: Doohickey
Geez. The libs are just dancing on the guy's grave, aren't they? He's paying the ultimate price for his misdeeds now.

That's my sentiment. But they aren't happy that he's dead. They wanted him to "pay. Nevermind that he'll never live to enjoy his misdeeds, the Left are upset that he's not alive to suffer at their hands.

30 posted on 07/06/2006 3:26:54 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: CMailBag
Does anyone know exactly what Ken Lay did that Congress and the Democrats haven't already done to the rest of the population?

Yes, he at least gave his friends a reach around.

31 posted on 07/06/2006 3:29:00 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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To: BradyLS

I think another thing they miss is the political opportunities of images of Lay in jail would have given them. They will now try to make the best of his death and improvise something out of it.


32 posted on 07/06/2006 3:33:24 PM PDT by xp38
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To: Baynative

I don't know, when dying is your best play, I'd say you're pretty well played out.


33 posted on 07/06/2006 3:33:31 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Baynative
Oh please Ken Lay did not run his business any different than government runs ours. Just look at social security you doubt that one, why isn't everybody alll upset with the figurative screwing we get with that pyramid scheme?
34 posted on 07/06/2006 3:34:27 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

DIEING wasn't enough of a penance? Lefties are mean all the way inside. I wished Lay could have lived and had a chance to make good his life again and pay his debt.


35 posted on 07/06/2006 3:35:36 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: apillar

I think that’s Oliver Cromwell you‘re referring to. He ruled the country once. That’s what happens if you try to ban mince pies!


36 posted on 07/06/2006 3:36:23 PM PDT by FostersExport
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To: laconic
I wish I'd seen a photo of Ken Lay in prison washing dishes in an orange jumpsuit. He was a first-class thief (and a convicted one, whatever the "erasure" of the judgment of 12 of his peers) and deserved hard time.

Maybe so. He certainly should bear blame, since he was at the helm.

However, there were more chiefs than Indians at Enron - every large-scale scam requires them. Lay was probably guilty of knowingly letting it happen - but it took a LOT of scammers to MAKE it happen, and many of those folks are still alive, and within the reach of justice.
37 posted on 07/06/2006 3:39:07 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Just mythoughts
Oh please Ken Lay did not run his business any different than government runs ours. Just look at social security you doubt that one, why isn't everybody alll upset with the figurative screwing we get with that pyramid scheme?

I AM! But every time I start to gather the pitchforks and torches after "Mr. Electable" turns on us, I get chased to the looney bin! ;-) :-D

38 posted on 07/06/2006 3:39:13 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Michael.SF.

how about a lucite urinal?


39 posted on 07/06/2006 3:39:55 PM PDT by Energy Alley ("War on Christians" = just another professional victim group.)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Let's give libs strokes and hint that Lay faked his death and is living in splendor in Ecuador.


40 posted on 07/06/2006 3:42:52 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: BradyLS

LOL ..... you are using the wrong equipment!!!! People no longer associate theft with pitchforks and torches, especially if their name is on one of those monthly stipends.


41 posted on 07/06/2006 3:45:07 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: wireman

"He didn't cheat anything. He freakin' died.
The only people feeling cheated are the press who have been using all the misery the Enron fiasco caused to make money."

sooo true. So he didn't suffer long enough I guess. Looks to me like his intense suffering stopped his heart. Seems like that should please them.


42 posted on 07/06/2006 3:45:42 PM PDT by RDTF ("We love death. The US loves life. That is the big difference between us two.” Osama Bin laden)
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To: LibWhacker

I saw Ken Lay hanging out with Elvis at the Dairy Queen.


43 posted on 07/06/2006 3:46:14 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant

Cheated justice? With all the ways Justice cheats us, all Ken would have done is appeal after appeal until (like the tabacco rulling) it got thrown out, or he exhausted all his funds on legal fees.


44 posted on 07/06/2006 3:51:12 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Baynative

I'm not so sure Lay's assets cannot be touched. He was already convicted; all that was left was the sentencing phase. I have a feeling this will go round and round in the courts for a long time. This will also give the Left plenty of opportunities to keep yanking the name back up.


45 posted on 07/06/2006 3:51:33 PM PDT by Ingtar (Prensa dos para el inglés)
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To: TheRedSoxWinThePennant
The media really wanted to get pictures of Lay going to prison. But I want to see the editor and owners and reporters of the New York Times being marched to their justice for treason which they have committed. It is a much greater crime that Lay ever even through about. And I see no investigation of the traitors to put them in jail to meet justice where they belong.
46 posted on 07/06/2006 3:54:08 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT
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To: Mark was here
Ken Lay did not operate in a vacuum, his employees were in on the scam. They would scurry to fake trading rooms and act busy to impress investors.

No one who owned Enron stock complained while the scams were making them money; they only complained when the bubble burst and they did not reap the "rewards" they expected.

47 posted on 07/06/2006 3:58:33 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: CMailBag
Does anyone know exactly what Ken Lay did that Congress and the Democrats haven't already done to the rest of the population?

Thread over, game, set and match.

48 posted on 07/06/2006 3:59:15 PM PDT by Michael Barnes
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To: Libertina
DIEING wasn't enough of a penance? Lefties are mean all the way inside. I wished Lay could have lived and had a chance to make good his life again and pay his debt.

Lets look at the left and the criminals they support.

Free Mumia!!!!!!!!!!!(you know the convicted cop killer)

Free Johhny Walker Lindh the Taliban teen caught fighting troops and whose group is responsible for the death of a cia agent in afghanistran.

Yet corporate criminal Ken Lay dies before he can rot in prison and the Left FEELS CHEATED!
49 posted on 07/06/2006 4:02:01 PM PDT by TheRedSoxWinThePennant
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To: MIchaelTArchangel
Exactly.

Plus now they are getting the benefit of court settlements, reward for their own greed and stupidity.

50 posted on 07/06/2006 4:02:26 PM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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