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Grand jury to hear case of alleged sexual offer at mall (Man wanted 14 y.o. to make porn movie)
The Virginian Pilot ^ | 6/28/06 | Michelle Washington

Posted on 06/28/2006 5:15:27 AM PDT by wagglebee

NORFOLK - A judge ordered that a grand jury should consider a felony charge against a man accused of propositioning a 14-year-old girl at a shopping mall.

The man, Charles A. Speller, was charged in March with producing sexually explicit material after the girl said Speller offered her $200 to be in his "porno."

The girl and her father testified on Tuesday during a preliminary hearing. The Virginian-Pilot is withholding their names to protect the girl's privacy.

The girl's father said he saw the man approach his daughter twice as they walked through The Gallery at Military Circle. He lagged behind his daughter by about 20 feet.

The first time the man approached, the daughter testified, he asked her, almost in a whisper, if she would like to make $200.

She shook her head no.

Her father saw the exchange, and wondered why a strange man was speaking to her. The father decided to tail the man, who had walked away but then doubled back and followed the girl.

The girl walked outside to meet her mother. The man followed her and approached again.

This time, there was no mistaking what he wanted.

"He said, 'Do you want to make a quick $200 in my porno?' " the girl testified.

She said no. The man walked away, but passed her father on his way back into the mall. The father questioned the man, who said he had asked the girl for directions.

"I said, 'All these grown folks going by, why don't you ask one of those?'" the father testified.

When the father reached his daughter, and she told him what the man said, the father turned to chase the man. The father saw a security guard and explained that the man had propositioned his daughter. But the man was halfway down the hall, the father said, and getting farther away all the time, and the security guard did nothing.

The father broke down on the witness stand as he described the scene.

"I said, 'This man propositioned my daughter,' "the father said, each word coming slowly.

He dropped his bags and chased the man, catching him near the mall's information desk. He prevented the man from leaving until police arrived.

Speller remained free on bond pending his trial. Prosecutor Jill Harris asked that Speller be banned from contact with children and the victim and that he be banned from libraries.

Speller has asked library workers to modify the filters on the computers, Harris said. The only reason to do that, she said, is to look at pornography online.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: libraries; library; moralabsolutes; pornography; publiclibrary; sexualpredators
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He dropped his bags and chased the man, catching him near the mall's information desk. He prevented the man from leaving until police arrived.

If I had been the father he would have needed paramedics before the police ever got there.

1 posted on 06/28/2006 5:15:31 AM PDT by wagglebee
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Library ping.


2 posted on 06/28/2006 5:16:52 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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Grand jury to hear case of alleged sexual offer at mall (Man wanted 14 y.o. to make porn movie)

This is just another instance of how pornography is not as harmless as people would like us to believe.

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3 posted on 06/28/2006 5:19:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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The man is scum. The incident is shameful. No doubt.

However, it's not clear to me that a crime was committed. No one did anything. Words were exchanged. If I were the father, I'd be upset, but I don't expect a court to do anything.

4 posted on 06/28/2006 5:20:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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However, it's not clear to me that a crime was committed. No one did anything. Words were exchanged. If I were the father, I'd be upset, but I don't expect a court to do anything.

Most fathers probably would not involve the Courts, anyway.

5 posted on 06/28/2006 5:29:14 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: ClearCase_guy

I agree.

There was no law broken as far as I can tell. It's not illegal to be stupid.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 5:29:26 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: wagglebee
the man was halfway down the hall, the father said, and getting farther away all the time, and the security guard did nothing.. Security guards are generally useless when a real emergency occurs. Call 9-1-1 instead.
7 posted on 06/28/2006 5:32:18 AM PDT by DemforBush
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To: ClearCase_guy
Maybe the grand jury can resolve some of the questions unanswered and unasked in this article. Was the guy really trying to make a porno movie? Was he using that as a method of approaching children? Was there any investigation to see if he was collecting and/or distributing child porn? Has there been any investigation?

If he had made this contact over the internet his home would be raided and all of his records seized. In that case the "victim" would have been a middle aged male police officer. Does that make a difference? I can't see any reason for him to solicit a child in this manner unless he had "evil" intentions.

8 posted on 06/28/2006 5:36:54 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: ConservativeMind

What part of soliciting a 14 yo to be in a porno film don't you understand?

Why do you think these people were testifying, if the judge did not think the act was illegal?


9 posted on 06/28/2006 5:38:39 AM PDT by burroak
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To: wagglebee

I would have told the guard, "Call 911. That SOB is going to need an ambulance."


10 posted on 06/28/2006 5:40:29 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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To: ConservativeMind; ClearCase_guy

I'm fairly certain that soliciting a minor for child pornography is a crime.


11 posted on 06/28/2006 5:40:46 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ConservativeMind

P.S. Guess that's why you are not in jail.


12 posted on 06/28/2006 5:41:06 AM PDT by burroak
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To: burroak

Good answer! LOL


13 posted on 06/28/2006 5:44:11 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (Anything that offends 3 people must be banned. The 200 million just have to suck it up.)
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The man, Charles A. Speller, was charged in March with producing sexually explicit material after the girl said Speller offered her $200 to be in his "porno."

Am I missing something here? How does asking a 14 year old girl (who might plausibly be mistaken for an 18+-year-old) if she'd like to make a quick buck by being in a "porno" constitute "producing sexually explicit material"? And since when is "producing sexually explicit material" a crime, unless one actually uses one or more minors in the process? Per the info in this article, the guy never even touched the girl, much less used her in producing a porn flick.

I can't fathom why the courts are involved in this. The girl's parents should teach her how to handle this sort of crap, i.e. to respond by loudly yelling in the guy's face "NO, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO MAKE A QUICK $200 IN YOUR PORNO!" That way, when her father was 20 feet away from her, he wouldn't have had to "wonder why a strange man was speaking to her" and "tail the man, who had walked away but then doubled back and followed the girl." And what kind of parent walks AWAY from his unattended adolescent daughter in a mall, after seeing a "strange man" approach her and speak to her?

14 posted on 06/28/2006 5:47:22 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: wagglebee

But according to the article, that's not what Speller is charged with.


15 posted on 06/28/2006 5:48:26 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: burroak; wagglebee
If you don't know their age (i.e.-walking around in a mall), then how can you be held for asking a question of someone for an otherwise legal act?

It's the same as if asking them if they want to get a drink (alcohol) or go grab a smoke.

By the way, I'm not for pornography, drinking, or smoking (I have no attraction to any of it).
16 posted on 06/28/2006 5:55:07 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: burroak; wagglebee; GovernmentShrinker

It's my guess the police merely charged him with something to assuage the father. The charge will certainly be thrown out, as nothing was produced.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 6:00:12 AM PDT by ConservativeMind
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To: burroak
What part of soliciting a 14 yo to be in a porno film don't you understand?

Exactly! Should we doubt this guy wouldn't have been able to find some kid who was eager for the chance to make money if he kept looking?
He played with fire and he got burned, they oughta fry him.
Scum!

18 posted on 06/28/2006 7:17:08 AM PDT by The Brush
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To: ClearCase_guy
it's not clear to me that a crime was committed. No one did anything.

Someone DID do something, Solicitation of a minor is a crime. Child pornography is a crime. Soliciting a minor to make child pornography is a crime.

Kudos to this dad for chasing this POS down.

19 posted on 06/28/2006 7:45:33 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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To: ConservativeMind
If you don't know their age (i.e.-walking around in a mall), then how can you be held for asking a question of someone for an otherwise legal act?

It's the same as if asking them if they want to get a drink (alcohol) or go grab a smoke.

Um, you are legally required to ascertain a person's age before selling or providing said persons with alcohol or tobacco. Same applies to pornography.

Saying you didn't know how old they are is not a defense to the law.

20 posted on 06/28/2006 7:55:38 AM PDT by Valpal1 (Crush jihadists, drive collaborators before you, hear the lamentations of their media. Allahu FUBAR!)
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