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Court's marijuana ruling a victory for authorities(zero tolerance in the real world)
http://www.mlive.com/news/ ^ | 6 22 06 | Steven Hepker

Posted on 06/22/2006 9:52:05 PM PDT by freepatriot32

Marijuana users can be arrested for drugged driving weeks after they toast a joint, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled Wednesday in a Jackson County appeal.

A veteran prosecutor hailed the ruling as a correct interpretation of the zero-tolerance law that will make enforcement easier. A longtime defense attorney said the high court has opened the floodgates on overreaching government.

"This goes to show the Supreme Court does not seem to care about individual rights," Jackson attorney Jerry Engle said.

At issue were cases from Jackson and Grand Traverse counties. The local case involved the prosecution of Dennis Kurts for driving under the influence of marijuana.

Blackman Township police in February 2004 cited Kurts, 44, of Michigan Center, after he was stopped for driving erratically. He admitted smoking marijuana, police said. The time frame in which he smoked is unclear.

A blood test did not detect the narcotic THC, or tetrahydrrocannabinol, which is in marijuana. Instead, the test showed the presence of carboxy THC, a benign product of metabolism that can remain in the blood for a month after marijuana use.

Jackson County Circuit Judge Chad Schmucker dismissed the case in 2004 on the basis that the THC remnant was not an illegal controlled substance. Wednesday's ruling sends the case back to Schmucker's court.

"The Supreme Court makes it clear carboxy THC is a controlled substance, and the Michigan Legislature says it is against the law to drive with any controlled substance in the body," said Jerrold Schrotenboer, appellate attorney for Prosecutor Hank Zavislak.

Had the ruling gone the other way, prosecutors and defense attorneys would have to offer dueling expert witnesses to argue the issue, Schrotenboer said. The high court's ruling considers the THC derivative and the actual narcotic one in the same, rather than circumstantial evidence that a driver might have been high.

"This makes it vastly easier for prosecutors to convict on drugged-driving charges," Schrotenboer said.

That alarms Engle, who argued against Schrotenboer before the Supreme Court in January. Not all police and prosecutors use discretion, and some might see the same dollar signs that drive drunken-driving convictions, Engle said. The Legislature in recent years passed fees of up to $3,500 against drunken drivers, and those same fees apply to drugged driving, he said.

"Suppose someone runs a red light into your car. The cop asks if you have smoked marijuana in the last several weeks," Engle said. "A blood test shows carboxy THC. The other guy gets a traffic ticket, and you go to jail."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Michigan
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The Legislature in recent years passed fees of up to $3,500 against drunken drivers, and those same fees apply to drugged driving, he said.

follow the money er um i mean its for the children yeah thats it it s for the children the money they make has nothingot do with convicting people of driving while they are high when they arent high and havent been for up to a month

1 posted on 06/22/2006 9:52:10 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: Wolfie

ping


2 posted on 06/22/2006 9:52:53 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here
3 posted on 06/22/2006 9:54:02 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

"toast a joint?"


4 posted on 06/22/2006 9:55:07 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: freepatriot32

So, you can be busted for being high when you're not high? How does this make the least bit of sense in the way of preventing accidents? I hold these judges in contempt.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 9:59:23 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: claudiustg
Good.

If we actually enforced our drug laws more, there'd be less drug use. Do a Rudy Guliani on the drug issue....go after every drug crime, no matter how small, and you'll see a larger effect.
6 posted on 06/22/2006 10:04:15 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: claudiustg

So, you can be busted for being high when you're not high?

If the chemical is found in your blood then you are guilty of breaking the law.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 10:05:28 PM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: freepatriot32

A victory for the authorities...Another defeat for the Constitution.
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8 posted on 06/22/2006 10:06:34 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: freepatriot32

Hey, I think they should simply shoot pot and heroin users on sight, if they're serious about it. Let's war on drugs, if we're going to war on them, instead of having a police action. Then we'll have a real public policy argument instead of the no-see-um effect we have right now, where people like Al Gore Jr. get off entirely and others go to jail.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 10:12:35 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: garylmoore

They're being busted for driving while intoxicated not for being drug users. You're in favor of arresting and convicting people for things they didn't do?


10 posted on 06/22/2006 10:14:03 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: claudiustg

"How does this make the least bit of sense in the way of preventing accidents?"

It doesn't. Neither do drug laws, generally--but you weren't supposed to know that.


11 posted on 06/22/2006 10:15:06 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: freepatriot32

More WOD nonsense that won't make one tiny bit of idfference... except maybe to provide new leather furnitire of the DA's office.


12 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:34 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: mugs99
Another defeat for the Constitution.

constitution....constitution...let me see oh yeah I rember that vagely from school. that the document that some old dead guys wrote a couple of hundred years ago that states that all power derives from the big central federal government but if you are lucky sometimes our masters grant priviliges to us lowly peons on a temparary basis is that the document you are refering too ?

13 posted on 06/22/2006 10:20:33 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

Ridiculous. THC can stay in the system for weeks. A THC high lasts hours, not weeks. This is just more revenue gathering for our cancerous tumor of a government.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 10:22:51 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: freepatriot32

Yeah, the one that's alive and keeps growing into a new and improved version!


15 posted on 06/22/2006 10:23:06 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: claudiustg
They're being busted for driving while intoxicated not for being drug users.

He was given a blood test. There was no THC in his blood. He was not driving intoxicated. Mission creep will take this court decision into areas not yet dreamed of.
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16 posted on 06/22/2006 10:28:39 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: DesScorp

I manage a multi-million dollar business in a very competitive industry. We employ 12 people and the business donates heavily in the community. I have been an alcoholic, dope runner, dealer and smoker and a 2 pack a day cigarette habit. I am no longer most of these...lol!
In order of most dangerous to myself and those around me, I would rank cigarettes and alcohol the worst. And I will never go to jail for abusing them when I am not driving.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 10:33:42 PM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((Multi-culturism, go for a dirt nap. If you cant stand behind our troops, stand in front of them.)
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To: Gabz

ping


18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:35:05 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: garylmoore
"If the chemical is found in your blood then you are guilty of breaking the law."

Not if the law is "driving under the influence". Having a metabolite in your system that is not psychoactive is not influencing anything.
19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:51:53 PM PDT by ndt
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To: freepatriot32
Marijuana users can be arrested for drugged driving weeks after they toast a joint, the Michigan Supreme Court ruled Wednesday in a Jackson County appeal.

How dare those statists!!! Don't they realize that there's a secret unwritten Constimuhtushunal emanation of a penumbra that guarantees the right to smoke dope and then drive on the public streets?

20 posted on 06/22/2006 11:02:30 PM PDT by Mojave
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