9th Circuit rejects San Diego's appeal to keep cross on city land

ap on Riverside Press Enterprise ^ | 6/21/06 | Allison Hoffman - ap

[RS]

They've sold it 3 times now and the courts negated the sale each time because it was obviously going to someone to save the cross, so that's a non-starter...

[Nik Naym]

Oh well.

So I guess by doing that the court is really admitting that it is opposed to crosses and Christianity, not just some made up "wall between church and state".

Feh.





On a different subject: Whatever happened to Musolini and his old lady? Just wondering, ya see, since we haven't heard anything from him in the last 60 or 65 years.

[seasoned traditionalist]

What can he do? He will not violate a court order, nor should he.

Excuse me? However, what he CAN DO, is sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER, designating the cemetery FEDERAL PROPERTY.

If Clintoon could, with the stroke of a pen, "Federalize" 60 million acres, I can't imagine why W could not do same with a few acres of a cemetery.

Finis. Case closed.

[Ben Chad]

Next they'll demand removing the San from Diego.

[seasoned traditionalist]

The President is not an omnipotent dictator. There is nothing he can do to "stop" this.

Not so. See my post #43

[Hildy]

Absolutely. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH already.

[Hildy]

Some here have suggested an executive order.

[Zack Attack]

They've sold it 3 times now and the courts negated the sale each time because it was obviously going to someone to save the cross, so that's a non-starter...

So there is a litmus test for potential buyers? Anyone that would keep the cross is automatically eliminated as a buyer?

[RS]

"Excuse me? However, what he CAN DO, is sign an EXECUTIVE ORDER, designating the cemetery FEDERAL PROPERTY."

It's not a cemetery ...

[KoRn]

Why doesn't the congress just break this court up? Don't they have the power to do this? Could it be that their very existence is a political advantage for conservatives?

[RS]

"So there is a litmus test for potential buyers? Anyone that would keep the cross is automatically eliminated as a buyer?"

If you sell a piece so small that it has no other valid use, you are limiting your buyers to those who wish to keep it, and the City would be showing a bias. If you sell a bigger area that WOULD be of some use, the price would skyrocket.

Think giving it away was tried also.

[RS]

Hhmmm ... Wonder if the city can simply redesignate the area under the cross as a "surplus property storage yard". ?

I don't think the courts can order the City to destroy property that they might be able to sell someday.

San Diego dosen't even know how much property it owns, so I'm sure it would take quite a long time for this to come up for sale.

[Bonaparte]

Still waiting for the ACLU to file suit against the City and County of San Francisco, demanding it change its name from that of a Catholic saint to one that accomodates the religion of secular humanism. Sodom might work.

[Bonaparte]

"Then the VFW or Legion can buy it for a token sum."

Sounds like a good idea at first, but I think there would have to be open bidding and all those fat hollywood wallets would open wide. Then there would be a gigantic statue of chairman mao there. Never underestimate the fervor of the atheist left.

[Robe]

The city of San Diego needs to get creative... do nothing accept the $5000 a day fine and then up the maintenance costs of local Federal buildings by the same amount !!!!

[FreedomCalls]

What can he [The President] do?

Considering that he just declared an area of the Pacific Ocean bigger than Texas a "National Monument" he could do the same with this. The cross would then have to stay.

[Prost1]

The 9th Circuit has no jurisdiction. It is time for the City Officials to tell the 9th to GTH and order the city police department to arrest anyone who tries to interfer in legitimate city business.

Then the city can petition the State Atty General to arrest and prosecute the members of the 9th.

And they can request the Governor to do the same.

Then the City Officials can raise a flag with a Cross and tell the 9th to GTH!

"Here I stand, I can change nothing!" ("Hier stand ich, ich kann nicht anders"; Martin Luther, Wuertenberg, 1519?)

[churchillbuff]

This is why it's so important that we send troops to invade Muslim countries in the Middle East. because if those Muslims conquer us, they would tear down any vestige of Judeo-Christian culture and religion, like crosses ---- oh wait, the ACLU is already doing that, and the ACLU does't consist of many Muslims (rather, a lot of liberal Jews and atheist gentiles, in my observation)

Bush will fight for "freedom" in Iraq, but I don't expect him to fight for veterans right to have this cross in San Diego. Wouldn't be PC.

[Pox]

I'm not so sure it's that simple in this case.

I'd think a more appropriate course of action would be for the city of SD to sell it to the American Legion in CA for $1, with the stipulations that it must be maintained as is and cannot be sold to anyone except the city, state or federal governments if they can no longer maintain it as is.

That's too simple of course, but perhaps something like that could be worked out.

A better course of action would be to round up all the members of the ACLU and put them down as you would a rabid animal, IMO.

[RS]

"This is why it's so important that we send troops to invade Muslim countries in the Middle East."

Sorry - I don't believe that the U.S. should start religious crusades as government policy.