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1 posted on 06/20/2006 4:14:34 PM PDT by RDTF
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May God forgive them, I do not blieve that they know what they are doing. Doesn't the Bible mean anything anymore? You cannot pick and chose what you are going to believe.


2 posted on 06/20/2006 4:18:02 PM PDT by mom-7
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That combined with this!

http://www.local6.com/family/9393768/detail.html

Presbyterians Think Of Changing 'Father, Son, Holy Spirit'

POSTED: 5:09 pm EDT June 19, 2006
UPDATED: 7:11 pm EDT June 19, 2006

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The divine Trinity -- "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" -- could also be known as "Mother, Child and Womb" or "Rock, Redeemer, Friend" at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by the church's national assembly.

Delegates to the meeting voted to "receive" a policy paper on gender-inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving it. That means church officials can propose experimental liturgies with alternative phrasings for the Trinity, but congregations won't be required to use them.

"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our membership," legislative committee chair Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa laywoman, said during Monday's debate on the Trinity.

The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to refer the paper back for further study.


3 posted on 06/20/2006 4:19:02 PM PDT by RDTF
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“And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass; I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first. Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. - Revelation


4 posted on 06/20/2006 4:20:36 PM PDT by Dreagon
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There go those wascaly Presbyterians (of the PCUSA) again!


5 posted on 06/20/2006 4:21:36 PM PDT by VOA
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It gives local church organizations more leeway in deciding if gays can be ordained as lay deacons and elders as well as clergy, provided they are faithful to the church's core values.

Can anybody confirm for this Catholic that today's Presbyterian Church has any such values?

6 posted on 06/20/2006 4:22:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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I left the PC USA and went to the PCA many years ago. PC USA is a denomination that has gone from decline to freefall.


7 posted on 06/20/2006 4:25:05 PM PDT by wjcsux (I would prefer to have the German army in front of me than the French army behind me- Gen. G. Patton)
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That's it then.

If you have a rule and you say you can make exceptions then you don't have a rule.

Next years tithes will be to a PCA church.
8 posted on 06/20/2006 4:25:33 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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Why do they even bother to call themselves "Christian?" They are far, far removed from true Christianity. They sound more like Unitarians.


9 posted on 06/20/2006 4:27:32 PM PDT by MBB1984
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... would open the way for the ordination of gays and lesbians under certain circumstances.

Like what? That they can walk and chew gum at the same time?

11 posted on 06/20/2006 4:31:09 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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It gives local church organizations more leeway in deciding if gays can be ordained as lay deacons and elders as well as clergy, provided they are faithful to the church's core values.

Political correctness and immediate sexual gratification?

12 posted on 06/20/2006 4:35:08 PM PDT by madprof98
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Not good!


16 posted on 06/20/2006 4:37:40 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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The Presbyterians donated to the Angela Davis defense fund.
18 posted on 06/20/2006 4:43:14 PM PDT by Mark was here (How can they be called "Homeless" if their home is a field?.)
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Maybe they should have drew lots

57 to 43? Didn't know the Spirit of God was that divided.

19 posted on 06/20/2006 4:53:44 PM PDT by Eastbound
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"Presbyterian church opens [back] door to gay clergy"

And they've opened the front door to Satan.

20 posted on 06/20/2006 4:54:52 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God is, and (2) God is good?)
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More appropriate alternate headline:

Presbyterian church opens back door to gay clergy

21 posted on 06/20/2006 4:55:28 PM PDT by Disambiguator (I'm not paranoid, just pragmatic.)
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The new policy was approved on a vote of 57-43 percent among 500 church representatives at the biennial meeting of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. It gives local church organizations more leeway in deciding if gays can be ordained as lay deacons and elders as well as clergy, provided they are faithful to the church's core values.

Funny. I always thought that any Christian church would look to the Holy Bible as a basis for its core values. Does this mean a Presbyterian Church can now ignore whatever parts of the Bible that it finds inconvenient with a lifestyle of sin? What's next? The six commandments?

Isn't is contrary to the Bible to seek spiritual leadership from those who openly flaunt their sins?

22 posted on 06/20/2006 5:03:43 PM PDT by SaveTheChief ("This one goes to eleven.")
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Leviticus 18:22 (New International Version)
Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.

Leviticus 20:13 (New International Version)
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

1 Timothy 1:10 (New International Version)
for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine


I wonder which parts of the above Bible verses the PCUSA does not understand?
23 posted on 06/20/2006 5:07:25 PM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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How can you be a practicing Homosexual and be true to any Churches values.? have they never heard of adultery? Of Sodomy.

Dam its hard to be in a religion these days.


27 posted on 06/20/2006 5:33:21 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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John Knox is spinning in his grave...


30 posted on 06/20/2006 6:01:14 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah" = Satan in disguise)
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There seems to be a race to Perdition, between your church and my former one.

The Episcopals are leading by a mere nose.


32 posted on 06/20/2006 6:43:39 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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