Rebel Leader Sadulayev Shot Dead

The Moscow Times ^ | June 19, 2006 | Carl Schreck

[sergey1973]

Chechen rebel leader Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev was killed by special forces over the weekend in an operation that Chechnya's prime minister trumpeted as a fatal blow to the insurgency.

Sadulayev, however, is credited with persuading warlord Shamil Basayev not to carry out any major terrorist attacks since Beslan.

Chechen warlord Doku Umarov is to take over as rebel leader.

Details of Sadulayev's death remained sketchy Sunday

[sergey1973]

I would certainly not shed a tear for another Islamist being killed even if "mainstream" media designates him "moderate". Jihadists, "moderate" or not, are still Jihadists and they are the enemies of not only Putin's Russia but also of the Western Civilization.

It is right to condemn Russian conduct in the Chechen War for all the arbitrary arrests, executions kidnappings and disappearences of local non-combatants often done in the revenge against Islamist activities. Such a conduct blurrs the line between Russian Forces and Jihadists they fighting with. But we must firmly draw the line between criticising Russian conduct in the war and sympathizing with Jihadists as quite a few liberals in Russia and the United States do. Jihadists goals to achieve, either through terror or by other means, are nothing less than the worldwide Islamic Empire. Even if they fight Putin Regime [for which I have 0 sympathy], they are still Jihadists.

" 'The decision to call off attacks on civilians might have had less to do with Sadulayev's political will and more to do with the fact that such attacks, after Beslan, lost any political justification they might have had', said Nikolai Silayev of the Center for Caucasus Studies at the Moscow State University of International Relations. "

"The level of cruelty went beyond all imaginable limits, and terrorism against a civilian population was completely exhausted as a political tool," Silayev said.

[sergey1973]

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[eleni121]

Hopefully Doku Umarov will soon join his fellow terrorist muslim scum in that special place called hell.

[auzerais]

I heard on an international news program last week (BBC?) that the rebel leader was sold out by his aide for the price of a gram of heroin. Evidently the aide was an addict and needed his fix.

[pfflier]

A trend developing here?

[sergey1973]

"Hopefully Doku Umarov will soon join his fellow terrorist muslim scum in that special place called hell."

Definitely agree. However, my worries are that Putin's regime betting on Ramzan Kadyrov will seriously backfire. Kadyrov is also a thug involved in kidnappings for ransom and other unsavory activities in Chechnya and beyond. This character won't hesitate to stab his patrons in the back if he finds new patrons, like Saudi Arabia Jihad financing princes.

Also Russia helping out Iranian Islamist regime or "Palestinians" is definitely foolish. These folks will gladly accept the aid from "Infidel" Russia, and will lend a helping hand to their fellow Islamists in N. Caucasus and elsewhere in fmr. USSR without hesitation. Such is the nature of Islamic Jihad shown since the time of Muhammad--milk Infidels while you can and then stab them in the back when they are no longer useful.

Overall, I have a Big problem with the way Russia conducts war against Islamist insurgency in Chechnya and N. Caucasus--not the fact that Russia wages the war. Russia has every right to defend it's territorial integrity against Jihadists. It's how Russia wages war that I have very serious misgivings about.

[sergey1973]

"A trend developing here?"

Trend ? Like senior Islamists getting killed ?

[AdvisorB]

I think the Russians should take a page from one of their greatest Czars, Alexander Romanov II. Czar Alexander sent Prince Baryatinsky to defeat the Chechens, just after the Crimean debacle. Imam Shamil was the leader of the chechen (baseyev is named after shamil) bandits. The Russian army defeated Shamil, and surrounded Shamil with his band of 400 soldiers in the village of Gunib. There, shamil was forced to surrender. Shamil was brought to St.Petersburg with his harem. He was banished to Kaluga, where he was allowed to practice his religion freely. The Czars skillfull handling of Shamil helped end the war, and pacify the Chechens for years to come.

[isthisnickcool]

Chechen warlord Doku Umarov is to take over as rebel leader.

Let's say that tomorrow the "war" is over what does this guy do? Get a job in an office? I can hear them asking him "Mr. Umarov, what did you do in your previous employement? "Uh, I was a warlord!" Then a week later they are asking him "Hello Doku, what's happening? Listen, are you gonna have those TPS reports for us this afternoon?"

Details of Sadulayev's death remained sketchy Sunday

I bet they aren't sketchy to Sadulayev. He's in hell with Zarqawi wondering where the virgins are as they are watching each others skin burn off, then grow back, then burn off, then.......

[sergey1973]

"I heard on an international news program last week (BBC?) that the rebel leader was sold out by his aide for the price of a gram of heroin. Evidently the aide was an addict and needed his fix."

Last week Sadulayev was still alive. I heard that Sadulayev was sold out by one of his body guards. Anyway, I will certainly not be sad over the death of one more Jihadist, even a "moderate" one. They all want the same goal--worldwide Islamic empire with degenerate Sharia laws. Some of them use terror, some of them use diplomacy (most combine the two), but their end goal is the same.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Gee. Another violent Muslim religious fanatic killed.

Democrats are bummed out.

[sergey1973]

Very funny -:)))

Dennis Prager wrote a good article a few years back asking John Kerry questions about Al-Zarqawi (of course when Zarqawi was still alive and John Kerry was running for the US President ).

Here is this article by Dennis Prager "Ask Kerry one question: What would Zarqawi be doing if he weren't in Iraq "

[GarySpFc]

It is right to condemn Russian conduct in the Chechen War for all the arbitrary arrests, executions kidnappings and disappearences of local non-combatants often done in the revenge against Islamist activities.

Sorry Sergey, but I do not agree with you. Too many liberals are gullible, and believe everything written by the likes of Anna Politkovskaya. It is obvious to anyone who has served in combat Politkovskaya listens to propagandists and writes while sitting at a kitchen table. Her accounts are not on the spot reporting as she would have you believe.

[RedStateRocker]

"if "mainstream" media designates him "moderate". Jihadists, "moderate" or not, are still Jihadists and they are the enemies of not only Putin's Russia but also of the Western Civilization"

A "Moderate" Jihadist is one who has ran out of ammunition

[sergey1973]

"It is obvious to anyone who has served in combat Politkovskaya listens to propagandists and writes while sitting at a kitchen table. Her accounts are not on the spot reporting as she would have you believe."

Nope, Gary. Politkovskaya traveled to Chechnya on a number of times and interviewed many locals there. The problem is that Politkovskaya put emotions and revulsion to the cruelties of Chechen war above everything else. She does not take into account in her reports what a threat it will be if Islamists emerge victorious in Chechnya and N. Caucasus for Russian security (and indeed for the Western Civilization survival), and what reprecussions could be if Jihadists will succeed in creating "Islamic caliphate" in Russia's strategic region of North Caucasus.

There were also many good-hearted people who criticized US support for South American anti-Communist regimes (i.e. Colombia, Guatemala, etc.) whose efforts to crush Soviet-Cuban Support Communist insurgencies where also very brutal(i.e Colombian death squads, Guatemalan military or paramilitary summary executions of suspected insurgent sympathizers, etc). They were ignoring the geopolitical catastrophy for the United States that the victory of Communist backed guerillas could entail.

However, it does not mean that we shouldn't criticize the conduct when this conduct falls way way too low. The question is how to appropriately criticize and offer a viable alternative without loosing the bigger picture.

[sergey1973]

"A "Moderate" Jihadist is one who has ran out of ammunition"

Good quote--should be put in a quotation dictionary -:))) !

[GarySpFc]

Nope, Gary. Politkovskaya traveled to Chechnya on a number of times and interviewed many locals there.

Sergey, I fully realize Politkovskaya has traveled to Chechnya many times, but her stories are bull, and I am putting it nicely.

[eleni121]

Gary is right. NO condemnation but rather support and appreciation for the restraint the Russian solders have shown in the face of horrors like Beslan.

Russians have been dealing with these Muslims for several hundreds of years. They know what is best. And we all will be more supportive as well as the brutalities committed by Muslims continue.

[eleni121]

This character (kadyrov) won't hesitate to stab his patrons in the back if he finds new patrons, like Saudi Arabia Jihad financing princes.
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New patrons like Saudi princes? You are not so naive I am sure. They are already funding these terrorists.

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Jihad-In-Chechnya26apr03.htm