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Tsar admits: we've lost the war on drugs
The Scotsman ^ | Sun 18 Jun 2006 | MARCELLO MEGA AND KATE FOSTER

Posted on 06/18/2006 9:22:25 AM PDT by SittinYonder

SCOTLAND'S drugs tsar has sparked a furious row by openly declaring that the war on drugs is "long lost".

Tom Wood, a former deputy chief constable, is the first senior law enforcement figure publicly to admit drug traffickers will never be defeated.

Wood said no nation could ever eradicate illegal drugs and added that it was time for enforcement to lose its number one priority and be placed behind education and deterrence.

But his remarks have been condemned by Graeme Pearson, director of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency (SCDEA), who said he "strongly disagreed" with Wood.

The row has erupted as concern mounts about the apparent inability of police, Customs and other agencies to stem the flow of illegal drugs. It was reported yesterday that an eight-year-old Scottish school pupil had received treatment for drug addiction.

And despite decades of drug enforcement costing millions of pounds, Scotland has one of the worst drug problems in Europe, with an estimated 50,000 addicts. At least half a million Scots are believed to have smoked cannabis and 200,000 are believed to have taken cocaine.

Wood holds the influential post of chairman of the Scottish Association of Alcohol and Drug Action Teams, a body which advises the Executive on future policy. The fact that Wood and Pearson are at loggerheads over the war on drugs is severely embarrassing for ministers.

Wood said: "I spent much of my police career fighting the drugs war and there was no one keener than me to fight it. But latterly I have become more and more convinced that it was never a war we could win.

"We can never as a nation be drug-free. No nation can, so we must accept that. So the message has to be more sophisticated than 'just say no' because that simple message doesn't work.

"For young people who have already said 'yes', who live in families and communities where everybody says 'yes', we have to recognise that the battle is long lost."

He added: "Throughout the last three decades, enforcement has been given top priority, followed by treatment and rehabilitation, with education and deterrence a distant third.

"In order to make a difference in the long term, education and deterrence have to go to the top of the pile. We have to have the courage and commitment to admit that we have not tackled the problem successfully in the past. We have to win the arguments and persuade young people that drugs are best avoided."

Wood said he "took his hat off" to the SCDEA and added that it was essential to carry on targeting dealers. He stressed he was not advocating the decriminalisation or legalisation of any drugs.

"It's about our priorities and our thinking," said Wood. "Clearly, at some stage, there could be resource implications, but the first thing we have to do is realise we can't win any battles by continuing to put enforcement first."

But Pearson, director of the SCDEA, said he "fundamentally disagreed" that the war on drugs was lost.

"I strongly disagree when he says that the war on drugs in Scotland is lost. The Scottish Executive Drug Action Plan acknowledged that tackling drug misuse is a complex problem, demanding many responses. It is explicit within the strategy that to effectively tackle drug misuse, the various pillars of the plan cannot operate in isolation."

Alistair Ramsay, former director of Scotland Against Drugs, said: "We must never lose sight of the fact that enforcement of drug law is a very powerful prevention for many people and, if anything, drug law should be made more robust.

"The current fixation with treatment and rehabilitation on behalf of the Executive has really got to stop."

And Scottish Conservative justice spokeswoman Margaret Mitchell said: "I accept Wood's sincerity, but this is a very dangerous message to go out. I would never say that we have lost the war on drugs. Things are dire, but we should never throw up the white flag."

But Wood's view was backed by David Liddell, director of the Scottish Drugs Forum, who said: "We have never used the term 'drugs war' and it's right to move away from that sort of approach. For every £1 spent on treatment, £9-£18 is saved, including in criminal justice. The balance has been skewed towards more punitive aspects."

And John Arthur, manager of the drugs advice organisation Crew 2000, said: "I think Tom Wood is right. This is something our organisation has been arguing for for a long time and it is good to see this is now coming into the mainstream."

Among the ideas now backed by Wood is less reliance on giving methadone as a substitute to heroin addicts.

He says other substitutes should be considered, as well as the possibility of prescribing heroin itself or abstinence programmes.

One new method being examined by experts is neuro-electric therapy, which sends electrical pulses through the brain. One addict with a five-year habit, Barry Philips, 24, from Kilmarnock, said the treatment enabled him to come off heroin in only five days.

Wood said: "We need to look at the other options. Other substitutes are used in other countries. They even prescribe heroin in Switzerland and there is a pilot in Germany, with pilots also mooted in England and, more recently, Scotland. We need to have a fully informed debate."

A Scottish Executive spokesman said: "We have a very clear policy on drugs, which is to balance the need to tackle supply and challenge demand. They have to go hand in hand and we make no apology for that."


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To: durasell
I'm sure the drug Co.s are capable of producing product that yields a similar effect to street drugs
>w/o the danger of the drug transaction
>at a much lower price
>w/o the fear of arrest.

Think prohibition..before its repeal.

121 posted on 06/18/2006 3:07:38 PM PDT by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: TheOracleAtLilac

The best thing would be to curtail the addiction through a drug regiment. According to some reading I've done, they are close to that goal, though it means playing around with brain chemistry.

I'm off to work. Take care.


122 posted on 06/18/2006 3:10:14 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: SittinYonder

Maybe it can be accomplished short of the death penalty.

Remember the public cane-ing of that idiot American kid a few years ago?

Of course, in the US, any actual punishment is deemed "cruel and unusual".


123 posted on 06/18/2006 3:17:38 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: Zman516
Of course, in the US, any actual punishment is deemed "cruel and unusual".

Well, caning actually is "cruel and unusual," though. As an aside, I discovered just now that Google accepts sponsors for the caning search term from spanking fetishists.

124 posted on 06/18/2006 3:31:07 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: robertpaulsen
20% are there for drug related offenses (and 75% of those are black or Hispanic), and almost all of those are for trafficking or drug dealing.

The reference you linked to does not say that. The numbers range from 70% to over 80% depending on which source you want to believe. The fact is, more than 70% of prisoners are locked up for non-violent crimes, most for drug crimes or low level property crimes.

Your own reference shows that the state of Maryland alone has more citizens in prison and jail than all of Canada though Canada's population is six times greater.

This national disgrace is creating violent criminals. Those nonviolent offenders that we incarcerate in our brutal and dehumanizing prison industry return as the violent ex-cons you and so many others complain about.

Drugs aren't creating criminals...You are!
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125 posted on 06/18/2006 3:48:53 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: durasell
I have met guys who are engaged in the fight. And they are to be admired. They aren't simply "the gubmint," but guys risking their lives in an effort most people think is failing.

They are "risking their lives" for the money and benefits. To put it simply, they are willing to destroy the rights and lives of others to line their own pockets.
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126 posted on 06/18/2006 4:01:04 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: SittinYonder

I think the only option for winning the war on drugs is to make death a certainty.

When a person leaves drugs in a person's car or home or a cop plants dugs in a car or home, and that car or home is your car, or your son or daughters or your spouse's, you'll hold the same position as you do now? Death for those caught with drugs  

That's a way for a person to seek revenge or to set up a neighbor or coworker, or person that cut them off on the highway. Sheesh.

THINK FIRST ! ! !

127 posted on 06/18/2006 4:14:28 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: CGTRWK
We already have the same defeat as Scotland. The only difference is we won't admit it. Refusing to acknowledge reality for ideological reasons is one of man's greatest weaknesses.

The unquestioning support of the WOD is eerily similar to the behavior we see in religious cults. No amount of logic or reasoning seems to be able to penetrate the minds of those who support the WOD. They just won't let it go, regardless of the plain evidence of it's failure right in front of their eyes.

And then, of course, when you add in the moneyed interests of the WOD industrial complex, it's not difficult to see why the WOD will probably drag on and on.
128 posted on 06/18/2006 4:14:47 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: rottndog
The unquestioning support of the WOD is eerily similar to the behavior we see in religious cults.

True enough.

And if there's anything more dangerous than a religious cult, it's a religious cult with the power to make its rules law.

That the state has drunk the Kool-Aid makes the WOD farce a tragedy.

129 posted on 06/18/2006 4:24:54 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: SittinYonder; tacticalogic

My suggestion is that to win the war on drugs we must make possession a capital offense. Do with that what you want.

Fair enough. 

See post 127.

130 posted on 06/18/2006 4:27:03 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Ken H

What's scary, in your example, is that there are those who claim to be conservatives who are advocating that we adopt the public policy of "freedom-loving" states like Iran.

Very scary.


131 posted on 06/18/2006 4:29:22 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: SittinYonder
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition -- LEAP. Their membership is strictly persons that are or have had careers in the justice system and fought the war on drugs. Judges, prosecutors, LEOS, DEA, etc.
132 posted on 06/18/2006 4:31:28 PM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Zon

Excellent.

LEAP Mission Statement:

Founded on March 16, 2002, LEAP is made up of current and former members of law enforcement who believe the existing drug policies have failed in their intended goals of addressing the problems of crime, drug abuse, addiction, juvenile drug use, stopping the flow of illegal drugs into this country and the internal sale and use of illegal drugs. By fighting a war on drugs the government has increased the problems of society and made them far worse. A system of regulation rather than prohibition is a less harmful, more ethical and a more effective public policy.

The mission of LEAP is to reduce the multitude of unintended harmful consequences resulting from fighting the war on drugs and to lessen the incidence of death, disease, crime, and addiction by ultimately ending drug prohibition.

LEAP¹s goals are: (1) To educate the public, the media, and policy makers, to the failure of current drug policy by presenting a true picture of the history, causes and effects of drug abuse and the crimes related to drug prohibition and (2) To restore the public¹s respect for law enforcement, which has been greatly diminished by its involvement in imposing drug prohibition.

LEAP¹s main strategy for accomplishing these goals is to create a constantly enlarging speakers bureau staffed with knowledgeable and articulate former drug-warriors who describe the impact of current drug policies on: police/community relations; the safety of law enforcement officers and suspects; police corruption and misconduct; and the financial and human costs associated with current drug policies.


133 posted on 06/18/2006 4:50:47 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: SittinYonder

He's pointing out the obvious. Who actually believes the drug war isn't lost? What other business accepts a 10% interdiciton 'success' rate as a success?


134 posted on 06/18/2006 5:05:17 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: SittinYonder
I have long said that the only way we will win the war on drugs is if we impose the death penalty for possession. Others have suggested it is unreasonable and harsh, and maybe it is, but you can't win a war without piling up some bodies.

Well thank god your postition is completely politically unrealistic. I'd like to think I live in a country where the punishment for the crime actually fits the crime.

135 posted on 06/18/2006 5:06:46 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: proxy_user
"We are such a bunch of sentimental wusses that is not going to happen. Can you imagine executing a cute, upper-class college girl for giving out cocaine to all her friends?"

If one of her friends was MY daughter, yes.

136 posted on 06/18/2006 5:08:07 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: SittinYonder
What alternatives have I presented? I've said that if we want to win the war on drugs the only solution I see to winning it is imposing severe penalties, to include the death penalty, for possession.

Many Asian countries (Iran, Vietnam, China, and Malaysia come to mind) do this already and they haven't won their war on drugs. All your plan will do is increase the body count for the cops. If a guy possessing some coke knows he's going to be executed for possession, why not kill the people trying to arrest him? The end result is the same.

Heck, why not make any crime punishable by death? In theory, all those crimes should be eliminated. Heck, I hear there are no more murders in Texas....

137 posted on 06/18/2006 5:18:39 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: SittinYonder

Disregard the last point I made, at least to you directly. I know realize what your stance is.


138 posted on 06/18/2006 5:21:32 PM PDT by Nate505
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To: Joe Bfstplk
Maybe because the SinoFascist who run that place have run a total war on personal freedom.

The white man should never embrace the methods of the SinoFascists. Its is against our natural respect for individual rights and healthy disrespect for authority, something lacking in many Asian cultures (especially the Chinese, who are the majority of Singapore's population).

139 posted on 06/18/2006 5:23:43 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

If my daughter gave someone else drugs willingly, and that person took it, and someone killed my daughter over it, I'd have no qualms whatsoever in killing that person.


140 posted on 06/18/2006 5:25:40 PM PDT by Nate505
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