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A losing formula
The Boston Globe ^ | June 10, 2006 | Robert Kuttner

Posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:47 AM PDT by A. Pole

IT HAS now become less politically risky for Democrats to accept gay marriage than to support taxing the richest 1 percent of Americans. And that reality speaks volumes about the Democratic dilemma.

On Wednesday, Senate Republicans offered a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage that they knew had no chance of passage. Their purpose was simple and cynical: Rally the faltering Republican hard-core base, and force a vote that they hoped would embarrass Democrats.

The constitutional measure, which required 67 votes to pass, got only 49. Just one Democrat, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, supported it. Seven Republicans, including all five New England GOP senators, voted against. [...] you can be sure that in this fall's elections, Republicans will chide Democrats for failing to vote for a constitutional ban on gay marriage.

A day later, the Senate took up repeal of the estate tax. Just one estate in 100 pays the tax.

[...]

Yet in Thursday's vote to cut off debate, fully 57 senators (three short of the necessary 60) voted for total and permanent repeal. They included four Democrats, [...]

Despite this defeat for repeal, the issue isn't dead. Senate Republican leader Bill Frist, joined by enabler Baucus, is promoting a ``compromise" to keep a token estate tax, applied only to estates of $5 million to $7 million and with a far lower rate. This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion.

Several Democrats attended a strategy meeting convened by Baucus after the vote to consider what partial repeal they might support. These reportedly included Ken Salazar of Colorado, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Blanche Lincoln and Mark Prior of Arkansas, Maria Cantwell of Washington State, and Nelson. All of these worthies, save Nelson, found the nerve to vote against the gay marriage ban. [...]

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Colorado; US: Louisiana; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: deathtax; democrats; elections; formula; gay; homosexualagenda; losing; losingformula; marker; newdeal; party; republicans; taxes; vote3rdpartyandlose; votegopandloserights

1 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:50 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...

Bump


2 posted on 06/10/2006 8:35:37 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: A. Pole
[...] Since Franklin Roosevelt, the Democrats' winning formula has been to serve economic needs of ordinary people, and use that political capital to expand rights for often unpopular minorities.[...]

So helping the less fortunate is a tool to advance diversity agenda?

3 posted on 06/10/2006 8:37:15 AM PDT by A. Pole (For today's Democrats abortion and "gay marriage" are more important that the whole New Deal legacy.)
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To: A. Pole
Despite this defeat for repeal, the issue isn't dead. Senate Republican leader Bill Frist, joined by enabler Baucus, is promoting a ``compromise" to keep a token estate tax, applied only to estates of $5 million to $7 million and with a far lower rate. This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion.

I don't know how many estates are currently being taxed in this group but increasing the deficit by 300 to 500 BILLION this way? Does this sound right to everyone?

4 posted on 06/10/2006 8:40:43 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: A. Pole

"This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion."

Kuttner is misleading and/or lying here.
Unless he tells us what the rate is "token estate tax" could be, he's not indicating the
All estate taxation represents a form of double taxation anyway, and the total take on estate tax is about $40 billion a year, so it's about 2% of the total taxes collected by the Federal Government.

As for the increase deficits by $300 billion, complete and utter baloney ... he must be measuring over 10 years, and he must be assuming some impact that is fairly extreme and unlikely. Abolishing estate taxes wont make these assets untaxed, it just makes them untaxed at the stage of transfer of inheritance. Indeed it may increase tax revenues in the same way capital gains tax cuts tend to increase overall tax revenues. I dont trust a leftist like Kuttner to give an honest fiscal impact analysis on such a tax change.


5 posted on 06/10/2006 8:42:00 AM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: johniegrad

no


6 posted on 06/10/2006 8:43:43 AM PDT by brivette
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To: A. Pole
>A losing formula

Imagine a group
of 'Rats and Republicans
who got together

and told the whole truth --
about Flight 800 and
Ron Brown, Vince Foster,

Waco and maybe
the internet reports of
the "Rayburn shootout" . . .

Telling us the truth
on everything might be a
winning formula!

7 posted on 06/10/2006 8:45:31 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: johniegrad

"I don't know how many estates are currently being taxed in this group but increasing the deficit by 300 to 500 BILLION this way? Does this sound right to everyone?"

No, it's wrong and it's a lie. Estate tax revenues are in the $40 billion/year range. He must be counting his assumed 10 year fiscal impact, but isnt telling you in the column to make the problem sound 10 time worse than it is. See my previous reply.


8 posted on 06/10/2006 8:46:09 AM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: johniegrad

"I don't know how many estates are currently being taxed in this group but increasing the deficit by 300 to 500 BILLION this way? Does this sound right to everyone?"

It came from the Boston Globe. What do you think?


9 posted on 06/10/2006 8:48:19 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: A. Pole
Just one estate in 100 pays the tax.

I wonder how many estates were paying the tax when it was first passed?

1 in 1000, 1 in 10,000? Higher?

I'm thinking higher.

10 posted on 06/10/2006 9:02:38 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: johniegrad

Yes it is Right. I find the estate tax imoral and unconstitutional. Fie on people who like class war fare and socialism or the welfare regulatory state. What this does not state is all the money and time spent with lawyers etc. to try and save your farm or business. My father spent 15,000 dollars to set up a trust so the farm would not have to be sold for taxes. Land my family has owned since it was homesteaded many years ago. Also the place where the extended family of 3 generations live and how 2 family members make their living. He died with 20,000 in the bank. Rich NO. Lower middle class yes. Find one of these pious politicians who would work themselves rrasing chickens and few cows. Bah they would not last a day.


11 posted on 06/10/2006 9:11:29 AM PDT by therut
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To: johniegrad

"This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion."

The Globe puts its foot in its mouth with this one.

Either it is an outright lie, OR even with a "token estate tax", the Feds are confiscating 300-500 billion a year from us, proving the outrageousness of this unfair tax.

In this case, I hope the Globe is lying!


12 posted on 06/10/2006 9:14:10 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: A. Pole

If frist is involved, the issue is DEAD. I'm starting to think of him as the coroner of the Rep. party.


13 posted on 06/10/2006 9:16:00 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: A. Pole
Senate Republican leader Bill Frist, joined by enabler Baucus, is promoting a ``compromise" to keep a token estate tax, applied only to estates of $5 million to $7 million and with a far lower rate. This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion.

What an arrogant load of lies. They are talking about double taxation, which is all the Death Tax is - it is a tax on property that has already been taxed.
14 posted on 06/10/2006 9:22:48 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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This would increase deficits by $300 billion to $500 billion.

Typical liberal blather, and totally unsupported by the facts. History shows us unequivocally that every time taxes get lowered, revenue to the government increases.

The one point that this whole article fails to mention is that the government has more money than it needs, and is far larger than our country requires. Our taxes can be lowered TODAY; shrink the government and its spending habit, and they can be lowered more. The gov't doesn't have its own money, and the liberal fallacy that tax cuts "cost" the government money is as utterly ridiculous as their belief that wars can somehow be casulty-free.
15 posted on 06/10/2006 9:32:17 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: A. Pole

And, in case anyone missed it...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1646630/posts


16 posted on 06/10/2006 9:39:45 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: A. Pole

The deficit is high enough and the nation's wealthiest people are not struggling. Eliminating this tax will accomplish nothing good but leave less revenue for the soldiers fighting in Iraq.


17 posted on 06/10/2006 2:24:36 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: WOSG

It's a token tax that doesn't collect that much revenue, but repealing it would instantly cause massive deficits...

I'm missing the logic...


18 posted on 06/11/2006 4:57:23 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: A. Pole

Stand up for the minority.

But preserve taxes that wrongly take from a minority group.

He needs to take the word 'minority' out and insert 'special interest groups'.


19 posted on 06/14/2006 9:04:56 AM PDT by Deut28 (Cursed be he who perverts the justice)
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