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Justices: DUI Suspects Can Run But Can't Hide Police can enter homes of suspects without warrant.
CBS 13 TV (San Francisco) ^ | 6/1/06 | CBS 13 Staff

Posted on 06/01/2006 9:48:57 PM PDT by elkfersupper

AP) SAN FRANCISCO Police may enter Californians' homes without warrants to arrest those suspected of driving under the influence, the California Supreme Court ruled Thursday in a case testing the scope of the Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.

The 6-1 decision follows similar rulings in about a dozen other states. A dissenting justice said the majority handed authorities a "free pass" to unlawfully enter private homes and arrest people without warrants.

Under the Fourth Amendment, authorities are prohibited from entering a home and making an arrest without a warrant unless so-called "exigent" circumstances are present. Those include "hot pursuit" of a fleeing felon, imminent destruction of evidence and the risk of danger to the police or other persons inside or outside of a house, among others.

In this case, Justice Marvin Baxter wrote that the loss of evidence at issue was obtaining a measurement of the suspect's blood-alcohol level. Baxter added that a contrary ruling would allow "the corruption of evidence that occurs when the suspect takes advantage of any delay to ingest more alcohol -- or to claim to have done so -- or when the suspect evades police capture until he or she is no longer intoxicated."

Baxter and the majority was cautious in saying the decision would not give police carte blanche powers.

"In holding that exigent circumstances justified the warrantless entry here, we need not decide, and do not hold, that the police may enter a home without a warrant to effect an arrest of a DUI suspect in every case," Baxter wrote.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
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Here we go.
1 posted on 06/01/2006 9:49:02 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: CSM; JTN; VRing; Gabz; freepatriot32; inneroutlaw
Ping.

And talk amongst yourselves.

I have work to do and will check back later.

2 posted on 06/01/2006 9:51:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

How can you arrest someone for DUI if they are not driving?


3 posted on 06/01/2006 9:52:37 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: elkfersupper

There IS somthing in the water. There MUST be somthing in the water.


4 posted on 06/01/2006 9:53:23 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: elkfersupper
"In holding that exigent circumstances justified the warrantless entry here, we need not decide, and do not hold, that the police may enter a home without a warrant to effect an arrest of a DUI suspect in every case," Baxter wrote.

So this affects the case in question only and not every case? Not as bad as what I thought initially if that is the case.

5 posted on 06/01/2006 9:54:56 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: elkfersupper

I think if the police follow the suspect home where the suspect failed to pull over by police order then the police have every right to follow the suspect into the house and arrest them. Failure to pull over is probable cause all by itself - and already a violation of law.


6 posted on 06/01/2006 9:55:51 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: elkfersupper
So long as this ruling requires the police to immediately test the suspect's blood alcohol level using a breathalyzer, urine, or blood sample I'm in agreement.

But I cannot see giving the police the right to enter a DUI suspect's home and then take him out and have him stand on one foot, close his eyes and touch his finger to his nose, walk toe-to-foot, etc. in that ridiculous "dexterity" test they do.

If the police have cause to enter his home, then they must give him a medically-verifiable test immediately upon taking him out. Anything else is a false search.
7 posted on 06/01/2006 9:56:20 PM PDT by StJacques
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To: Republican Wildcat
How can you arrest someone for DUI if they are not driving?

How to "Drive" Under the Influence While Sleeping

8 posted on 06/01/2006 9:57:44 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

People's Socialist Repulik of Kalifornia! Zeig Heil!


9 posted on 06/01/2006 9:57:58 PM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Republican Wildcat

"Not as bad as what I thought initially if that is the case."

You have to look down the road and see that this will lead to searching any home at any time without a warrant.


10 posted on 06/01/2006 9:58:00 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (If your ship hasn't come in it's probably because she docked in Tanzania.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

I believe the issue is that the suspect failed to pull over, evaded the police and went home all while the police were following.

If the police are forced to get a warrant to enter the home, by the time they do, any evidence of DUI may be gone. In addition the suspect can say he was at home drinking before the police came back.


11 posted on 06/01/2006 9:59:19 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Not as bad as what I thought initially if that is the case.

It's as bad as you thought initially.

Trust me on this.

12 posted on 06/01/2006 9:59:37 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: DB
If the police are forced to get a warrant to enter the home, by the time they do, any evidence of DUI may be gone.

And what?

13 posted on 06/01/2006 10:02:52 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper
Here we go.

I agree. I would like to see this go to the Supreme Court of the U.S. Sure there are warrantless searches but IMHO, this is reaching a little. There is no crime in the instance and unless they are spying through the windows they cannot say there is anything suspicious going on. \anybody remember who the Justice was that said "there is a right to be left alone!" Brandeis...Holmes? I'll bet some of you legal eagles know who that was.

14 posted on 06/01/2006 10:03:17 PM PDT by navyblue (at one.)
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To: Blue Highway

Here's the last two paragraphs from the article.....

And what’s going on here with the word game? What does NOT constitute "driving"? Why are some courts so willing to support police and prosecutors from going far beyond the clear wording and intent of the laws? The answer may be found in a Minnesota case, in which a conviction was sustained where the defendant was found in his pickup, engine off and with his head resting on the steering wheel. "The real purpose of the statute", the court wrote, " is to deter individuals who have been drinking intoxicating liquor from getting into their vehicles." State v. Juncewski (Minn., 308 N.W.2d 316)

Funny, I thought the "real purpose" of laws was to punish people who actually committed the crime -- not just to send people to jail who came close. If the "real purpose" of the law is as stated by the Court, why didn't the legislature just prohibit citizens "who have been drinking intoxicating liquor from getting into their vehicles"? Of course, then the guy working on his engine would get arrested for "getting into" his vehicle. And the guy changing a tire. And.....


15 posted on 06/01/2006 10:03:31 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: All
Sorry to post and run.

You all know what you have to do.

Will check back in a few hours.

16 posted on 06/01/2006 10:06:00 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Pretty soon the nazis will be able to break down your door if you forgot to walk your dog today...


17 posted on 06/01/2006 10:06:44 PM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: StJacques
For starters, it is likely the suspect failed to pull over when the police demanded he/she do so.

Instead the suspect failed to stop and went home.

So irregardless of the DUI, the suspect has already violated the law by failing to stop when ordered to.

Waiting for a warrant to enter the home simply means the suspect gets away with the DUI aspect, not the failure to stop. The failure to stop becomes a he said/she said issue. Gee I didn't notice the lights or siren... bla, bla, bla...

In addition the suspect can say he/she was at home drinking in the time the police were waiting for the warrant. So when they do arrive, any blood alcohol testing is irrelevant.

Therefore if the DUI suspect fails to stop, drives home, and then enters his/her home they get away with the DUI unless the police are allowed to enter immediately.

It is as simple as that.

Under those circumstances I have no problem with the police pursuing them into their home.

18 posted on 06/01/2006 10:08:51 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: elkfersupper

"And what" what?


19 posted on 06/01/2006 10:10:42 PM PDT by DB (©)
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To: djf
Pretty soon the nazis will be able to break down your door if you forgot to walk your dog today...

Oh crap! Allright, I'm going. Now where in hell is that damn leash?

20 posted on 06/01/2006 10:12:29 PM PDT by navyblue (at one.)
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