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Deadly fighting rages in Somali capital as toll mounts-(new Al Qaida base)
afp ^ | 5/27/06 | afp

Posted on 05/27/2006 8:23:04 PM PDT by Flavius

MOGADISHU (AFP) - Deadly fighting has flared on in the lawless Somali capital Mogadishu as Islamic militia and gunmen loyal to a US-backed warlord alliance engaged for the seventh day in what residents described as the heaviest clashes.

At least eight people -- seven civilians and a militiaman -- were killed in the northern Mogadishu district of Sisi, bringing the death toll to at least 108 since fighting erupted in the war-shattered capital on Sunday, witnesses said.

In addition two overnight deaths, five more civilians were killed and 17 wounded in the volatile Sisi neighbourhood, where residents said the violence had escalated and displaced thousands of people.

"Today we have seen violence that we have never experienced in the past one week," resident Mohamed Jumale told AFP Saturday.

"Five people have been killed and many more are unaccounted for as a result of clashes that are going on," Jumale said. Witnesses said a militiaman was also killed.

They said sporadic gunfire was heard in across Huriwa, Waharaade and Yaqshid districts in north and south of the blood-soaked capital where the militia have also engaged in fighting.

The fighting has wounded more than 250 people, mostly civilians, straining hospitals here, medical sources said.

"The warring sides are not targeting civilians directly, but most people are killed by stray bullets, mortars or heavy machineguns coming into their shanty houses penetrating the poorly constructed walls," said Mohmamed Hirsi, an elderly man who fled from Sisi.

Accounts of the death toll have varied widely, but the International Committee for the Red Cross (ICRC), which runs hospitals in the city with the Somali Red Crescent, estimated on Thursday that about 80 people had been killed.

A spokesman for the alliance, Hussein Gutale Raghe, said on Friday he believed the death toll stood at at least 150 and perhaps more but there was no way to independently verify the figures and families say many more people are still unaccounted for.

But long-time Mogadishu residents said militiamen usually bury their dead at night to avoid revealing their losses.

"Militiamen bury their dead overnight and it is difficult to know how many were killed during the darkness," said one resident, requesting to remain unnamed. "But civilian casualty is always visible."

At least 70 percent of the population in the worst affected districts are believed to have fled their homes under intense machine gun, rocket and mortar fire that has rained down on residential areas causing indiscriminate damage.

The death toll has now surpassed that from an earlier wave of unrest over three days in February and four days in March when at least 85 people were killed as the two factions fought each other.

Those incidents had been the bloodiest clashes in the capital since Somalia collapsed into anarchy 15 years ago.

The fighting has continued despite appeals for calm by the United Nations, United States and Somalia's largely powerless transitional government, currently based in the town of Baidoa, about 250 kilometres (155 kilometres) west of Mogadishu.

Their appeals and a truce offer from the Islamic clerics who control the militia have been dismissed by the warlord-led Alliance for the Restoration of Peace and Counter-Terrorism (ARPCT).

"I am appealing and begging the warring sides in Mogadishu to show a sense of humanity and stop the war," influential Somali parliament speaker Sharif Hassan Sheikh Aden told reporters in Nairobi.

The alliance has vowed to curb the power of the courts that have gained popular backing by restoring some stability to areas in Mogadishu they control through the imposition of Sharia law.

It also accuses the courts of harboring terrorists and training foreign fighters on Somali soil, charges that Islamic leaders deny but that are also leveled by the US and other Western nations.

Although Washington has not explicitly confirmed its support for the alliance, US officials have told AFP the group has received US money and is one of several it is working with to contain the threat of Islamic radicals.

05/13/2006 08:49


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: africa; alqaeda; alqaedaafrica; gwot; somalia
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afganistan was fractioned by the various clans, taliban united the groups via religion and created the 911 atmosphere

same scenario, another forsaken land

1 posted on 05/27/2006 8:23:06 PM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius

Islam vs the rest of the World, continued (until the rest of the world wakes up).


2 posted on 05/27/2006 8:26:57 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Memo to GOP: Don't ask me for any more money until you secure our Southern border.)
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To: Flavius
US officials have told AFP the group has received US money and is one of several it is working with to contain the threat of Islamic radicals.

Screw containment, kill the animals.
3 posted on 05/27/2006 8:28:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Flavius

I suggest we send Bill Clinton to Negotiate in Person!


4 posted on 05/27/2006 8:30:11 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant

Actually it was the first President Bush that went there for "humanitarian reasons."


5 posted on 05/27/2006 8:31:11 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Flavius

Somalia Islamic militia after capturing the Sahafi Hotel in Mogadishu, May 25, 2006. (Shabele Media/Handout/Reuters)

Somalia Islamic militia guard Sahafi Hotel after it was captured from those of the counter terrorism alliance in Somalia capital Mogadishu, May 25, 2006. Fresh clashes between rival Somali militias spread across Mogadishu on Thursday, killing up to 30 more people in the anarchic Horn of Africa nation's worst violence for years, witnesses said. REUTE

6 posted on 05/27/2006 8:31:11 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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Somalia fundamentalist leader Sheik Hassan Dahir Aweys inside a mosque in northern Mogadishu Wednesday Oct. 12, 2005. A surge in the power of Islamic fundamentalist warlords in Somalia is raising fears that the Horn of Africa nation could follow the path of Taliban Afghanistan into the hands of al-Qaida, despite Western efforts to stop it. The U.S. government says Aweys has connections to al-Qaida. (AP Photo/Osman Hassan)

Gunmen keep guard as thousands of people gather to listen to the speaker of the Somali parliament, Shariif Hassan Sheikh Aden, unseen, in this Sunday, Feb. 6, 2005 picture in Mogadishu, Somalia. A surge in the power of Islamic fundamentalist warlords in Somalia is raising fears that the Horn of Africa nation could follow the path of Taliban Afghanistan into the hands of al-Qaida, despite Western efforts to stop it. (AP Photo/Karel Prinsloo)

7 posted on 05/27/2006 8:33:20 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

MEALS ON WHEELS

BJ Clinton

1993

Remember Blackhawk Down?

Stir your Shit somewhere else

TT


8 posted on 05/27/2006 8:38:22 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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It ticks me off that some turd nation like Somalia where the Citizens have MORE anti-Tank Weapons than the Citizens of The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave have.

TT
9 posted on 05/27/2006 8:41:58 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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well actually you make a good point

in order to make somalia safe i have to take your p shooter

so hand them over to your nearest officer
10 posted on 05/27/2006 8:43:14 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: TexasTransplant
http://cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-020.html

In his December 4, 1992, address to the nation officially announcing Operation Restore Hope, President Bush stressed both the humanitarian purpose and the limited nature of the U.S. military intervention in Somalia:

"Our mission has a limited objective--to open the supply routes, to get the food moving, and to prepare the way for a U.N. peace-keeping force to keep it moving. This operation is not open-ended. We will not stay longer than is absolutely necessary."

Stir your Shit somewhere else

I'm not stirring up anything. Just posting the facts.

11 posted on 05/27/2006 8:45:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Flavius
Was there in fall of 1992, before the major American involvement on the ground. Flying in food to NGO. Mog was a SH**hole then. No roofs and everything stripped. After a battle the 'technicals' would pull in front of the NGO 'hospitals' (Bidoa), move the Westerners out, go in and shoot the sick and starving in the beds, remove the bodies to the street and place their wounded in.

Somalia is a dump. The most homogeneous country on the planet, (98% are the same tribe, religion, language) and they cant get a long. Who cares.
12 posted on 05/27/2006 8:48:36 PM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

There are three rules about getting involve in a civil war. One - pick a side; Two - pick the winning side; Three - if you cannot meet rule one and two, do not get involve.


13 posted on 05/27/2006 8:51:13 PM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: truemiester

yes no one cared about afganistan either before 911

thats the point

i dont care either but for some reason al qaida decided to make a stand there

most likely because they know news media will help them keep our troops out officially

th


14 posted on 05/27/2006 8:52:34 PM PDT by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: truemiester

I'm with you--my giveadamn for that place is busted.


15 posted on 05/27/2006 8:56:25 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thanks for the Link and the Education.

Allow me to Cherry-pick just this one paragraph from your link, it bothers me on two different levels

"Bush administration officials emphasize that the intervention in Somalia is a United Nations' operation. As President Bush stressed, not only was the introduction of military forces approved by the Security Council, but troops from approximately a dozen countries will be joining the U.S. units. Colin Powell and other spokesmen have also offered assurances that U.S. forces will be withdrawn as soon as UN "peace-keepers" are available to take over their duties"

(Two Levels = UN and Colin Powell)

Ok Shit Stirred and me without a loaf of bread.

I still want BJ Clinton (without his Secret Service) to personally negotiate with these turds, it was Clinton that sent the Military in without Ammo, it was Clintons MO to withhold Ammo from troops (Somalia or Kosovo), it would be Poetic Justice for the BJ to fear for his life and know that he has NO DEFENSE. Basically I'd just like to put the shoe on the other foot, pipe dream; yeah.

I know that it may be impossible to Moderate / Modify an Extremely Extreme Extremest but sometimes you post like might as well be a Moderate Lib.

Stir away laddy, your shit stew passed muster, Facts are Facts, but those facts still stink.

TT
16 posted on 05/27/2006 9:19:22 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: TexasTransplant
I never disputed Clinton's role in Somalia. I merely pointed out that the first President Bush should have never gone there. I'm aware of the damage Clinton did in Somalia, duh.

If you need profanity to make a point, then it's useless to carry on this discussion.

17 posted on 05/27/2006 9:22:41 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: TexasTransplant
I know that it may be impossible to Moderate / Modify an Extremely Extreme Extremest but sometimes you post like might as well be a Moderate Lib.

Please. I've been a conservative when you were still breast-feeding.

18 posted on 05/27/2006 9:23:54 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Conservatism is moderate, it is the center, it is the middle of the road)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Hey

I'm still looking for a Loaf of Bread for the Last Sandwich

I was a bottle Baby! Quit bringing up repressed memories of the forbidden mammary.

I have only been an "Official" Conservative since the Clarence Thomas Hearings, I heard Rush and my Radio Dial has rarely seen FM since.

It is late, if you care this up tomorrow, we can.

Goodnight

TT
19 posted on 05/27/2006 9:37:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Flavius

al-Quida is afraid of AIAI, the Somali Whahabbi front, as they dont really take orders from anyone. They are more concerned with what is happening down the street, not in America.


20 posted on 05/27/2006 9:50:04 PM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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