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1 posted on 05/26/2006 2:31:45 PM PDT by VU4G10
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No, Tony, because to make the analogy apt, you would continue speeding all day and everyday.

Tony, Tony - didn't saying that stick in your craw?


2 posted on 05/26/2006 2:35:03 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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I compare it to freeloading and identity theft.


3 posted on 05/26/2006 2:35:28 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Mexico. The number one importer of "poverty" to America.)
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Except that when a speeder is stopped, he does get a ticket.

Instead, the illegals are getting in-state tuition, social security, pardons for stealing social security numbers, pardons for stealing legal citizens' identities, etc.

When one gets a speeding ticket, he doesn't get the keys to the city.


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This analogy from the WH is just another example of how out of touch this WH has become. It is a shame.
4 posted on 05/26/2006 2:35:53 PM PDT by TomGuy
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This is actually a good analogy of a flaw in the current laws.. Illegally crossing the border is only a misdoemener, not a felony.

Thanks to Clintoon, illegals have rights if caught which is why the prosecutions dropped in the late 90s.

Clinton signed the following laws into place.

(INA § 203(b)(2)(B), 8 U.S.C. § 1153(b)(2)(B)) - This law allows foreign nationals- even those who entered illegally, to request/obtain green cards as soon as they are 'caught'. What does this mean? It means that if caught and if they haven't committed a felony (remember, entering the country illegally is only a misdemeanor), they can simply say they would like to apply for a 'green card'-
This law was originally intended to help 'highly qualified' foreign nationals who want to get work permits easier, but the loophole is that the alien (legal or illegal) must be given the opportunity to prove they meet the qualification.

No, most illegals don't qualify for this visa waiver, but, by the time this is 'proven' they have fallen off the radar.

Worst of all is the The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (IIRAIRA). Under this law, deportation can be suspended if the illegal alien can prove that they have been in the US 'for a considerable period of time' and has 'good moral character'. Illegal aliens who fall under this are given the opportunity to apply for whatever work visa or asylum they may work for.



The trend is obvious, but the reason many attribute to it (President Bush) is incorrect. A lot of people are falling into the old statistical fallacy that correlation equals coordination (ie, Bush was elected in 2000 = drop in immigration enforcement). This is a fallacy of both logic and statistics.

Is this an excuse to why something hasn't been done legislatively- No? this is simply trying to clear up the real causation of this statistical drop in enforcement.

But what about employers, why aren't we acting against them.. well, thank Clintoon again...

A Clinton era law (INA 274B) made it illegal for employers to ask an employee if the information they provided is 'valid', instead, as long as the employer has an I9, valid information or not, they cannot be prosecuted because they are not responsible for validating the information on the I9.

Basically, if an employer questions an employee 'if they are legal' or if they are providing false ID, they could be sued for 'unfair employment practices'

Sec. 274B. [8 U.S.C. 1324b] (1996)

(a) Prohibition of Discrimination Based on National Origin or Citizenship Status.-

(1) General rule.-It is an unfair immigration-related employment practice for a person or other entity to discriminate against any individual (other than an unauthorized alien, as defined in section 274A(h)(3)) with respect to the hiring, or recruitment or referral for a fee, of the individual for employment or the discharging of the individual from employment-

(A) because of such individual's national origin, or

(B) in the case of a protected individual (as defined in paragraph (3)), because of such individual's citizenship status.

http://www.uscis.gov/lpBin/lpext.dll/inserts/slb/slb-1/slb-20/slb-8468?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm


5 posted on 05/26/2006 2:36:10 PM PDT by mnehring (Those who advocate, and act to promote, victory by Democrats are not conservatives!)
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has Tony gone nuts? That WH paycheck must be many times better than his Fox one....


6 posted on 05/26/2006 2:36:15 PM PDT by llevrok (Stop the Latin Insurgents !!!)
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As press secretary, Tony Snow is simply a "stooge" for the President.
8 posted on 05/26/2006 2:36:42 PM PDT by BW2221
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Once a killer has been paroled he's not still a killer is he?
Once a child molester has been paroled he's not a child molester any longer is he?
Once a person has been paroled, he's not a bank robber any more is he?

Thanks Tony.

Hey Tony, once a guy has sold out the American public, he's not still a citizen is he?


10 posted on 05/26/2006 2:38:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Botulism: Doing the same thing over and over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.)
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Snow predicted that House Republicans would eventually drop their opposition to the Senate bill, which passed Thursday.

Why is the House expected to drop their opposition to the Senate bill? Why isn't the clueless Senate expected to drop their opposition to the House bill? Hmmm?

11 posted on 05/26/2006 2:39:13 PM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie (Its the philosophy, stupid.)
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If only speeding really WAS compared to being an illegal alien... :)

In the immortal words of Howard Dean, YEEEEEEEHAAAAAA!!!


12 posted on 05/26/2006 2:39:30 PM PDT by RobRoy
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"So the fact is, you have paid your debt to society," he added. "And we have come up with a way to make sure that the debt to society gets paid. Then you move forward."


Actually, you don't move forward. You move south.


15 posted on 05/26/2006 2:40:15 PM PDT by RobRoy
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Well the heck with the speed limits then. We can get amnesty.


16 posted on 05/26/2006 2:40:41 PM PDT by Racer1
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""If you had a traffic ticket and you paid it, you're not forever a speeder, are you?" White House Press Secretary Tony Snow said in response to questions from The Examiner."

Now I know why all those people told me to stay away from Yellow Snow.


18 posted on 05/26/2006 2:42:46 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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"I don't know if Tony meant to trivialize it or not," said Will Adams, spokesman for Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo. "But it's certainly misleading."

"The penalty for a speeding ticket is a fine," he added. "The penalty for being here illegally is being removed from this country. But the president doesn't want illegal aliens to go home." it seems like Tancredo is the only one left making any sense


19 posted on 05/26/2006 2:43:00 PM PDT by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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Tony Snow is going to destroy his credibility trying to cover up for this disfunctional White House.


24 posted on 05/26/2006 2:44:32 PM PDT by FreePaul
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Ya know. I have lost any respect for this administration that I had because of this and many other things. After dumb statements like the speeding ticket analogy I am also questioning there intelligence. Do they really believe we were going to buy this crap?
26 posted on 05/26/2006 2:45:42 PM PDT by Racer1
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Methinks maybe Tony has gone over to the dark side.

He obviously is not a conservative.

32 posted on 05/26/2006 2:47:34 PM PDT by upchuck (Wikipedia.com - the most unbelievable web site in the world.)
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"So the fact is, you have paid your debt to society," he added. "And we have come up with a way to make sure that the debt to society gets paid. Then you move forward."

A closer analogy is that, instead of being ticketed, you get to pay a low one-time fee in exchange for the right to speed anywhere for the rest of your life.

34 posted on 05/26/2006 2:50:07 PM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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Daffy. Absolutely daffy.


36 posted on 05/26/2006 2:51:18 PM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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"If you had a traffic ticket and you paid it, you're not forever a speeder, are you?"

Geeez, this is going to be ugly.

37 posted on 05/26/2006 2:51:49 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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"Here's a more apt analogy," he said. "You get stopped for speeding, and
you say to the cop: "Hey listen, you're about to give me a $300 ticket.
How about we make it 20 bucks and just call it even?"


I like Tony Snow.
But he just showed himself to be as out of touch with Joe SixPack reality
with that comment...as Papa Bush was with supermarket scanners.

Everyone knows that the next words out of the cop's mouth are
"You are under arrest for attempted bribery of a law enforcement officer."

Well, unless you are an illegal immigrant.
38 posted on 05/26/2006 2:52:04 PM PDT by VOA
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