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Scientists Predict How To Detect A Fourth Dimension Of Space
Science Daily ^ | May 25, 2006 | Unattributed (Duke University)

Posted on 05/25/2006 1:35:30 PM PDT by Ben Mugged

Scientists at Duke and Rutgers universities have developed a mathematical framework they say will enable astronomers to test a new five-dimensional theory of gravity that competes with Einstein's General Theory of Relativity.

Charles R. Keeton of Rutgers and Arlie O. Petters of Duke base their work on a recent theory called the type II Randall-Sundrum braneworld gravity model. The theory holds that the visible universe is a membrane (hence "braneworld") embedded within a larger universe, much like a strand of filmy seaweed floating in the ocean. The "braneworld universe" has five dimensions -- four spatial dimensions plus time -- compared with the four dimensions -- three spatial, plus time -- laid out in the General Theory of Relativity.

The framework Keeton and Petters developed predicts certain cosmological effects that, if observed, should help scientists validate the braneworld theory. The observations, they said, should be possible with satellites scheduled to launch in the next few years.

If the braneworld theory proves to be true, "this would upset the applecart," Petters said. "It would confirm that there is a fourth dimension to space, which would create a philosophical shift in our understanding of the natural world."

~snip~ "When we estimated how far braneworld black holes might be from Earth, we were surprised to find that the nearest ones would lie well inside Pluto's orbit," Keeton said.

Petters added, "If braneworld black holes form even 1 percent of the dark matter in our part of the galaxy -- a cautious assumption -- there should be several thousand braneworld black holes in our solar system."

(Excerpt) Read more at sciencedaily.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: artbell; branetheory; cosmology; hyperspace; multidimensions; physics; supersymmetry
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Boggles the mind.....
1 posted on 05/25/2006 1:35:33 PM PDT by Ben Mugged
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To: Ben Mugged

No matter how they try, no one can explain 4 dimensions in a way that I can understand. The loaf of bread metaphor doesn't cut it (har har).


2 posted on 05/25/2006 1:37:20 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Lisa Randall, the Randall half of the Randal-Sundrum theory.


3 posted on 05/25/2006 1:38:46 PM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Ben Mugged

It won't work out because time is already an illusion in reality and a convenience in the mechanics formulas.


4 posted on 05/25/2006 1:39:26 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Huck

I'm guessing "thetan levels" aren't going to be discussed.


5 posted on 05/25/2006 1:40:40 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Huck
--- No matter how they try, no one can explain 4 dimensions in a way that I can understand. The loaf of bread metaphor doesn't cut it (har har).---

Which 4 dimensions? 4 dimensions of space, or 4 dimensions of: 3 dimensions of space plus 1 dimension of time.

6 posted on 05/25/2006 1:42:06 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Paradox

Having finally heard her talk, she is very bright and sure enough of what she knows that it would take a very rare physics mind to out-argue her. She is also current enough in philosophy to be able to stand her ground in C/E debates.


7 posted on 05/25/2006 1:42:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Ben Mugged

In terms of upsetting the apple cart, this would really be shattering in some ways. It would be like the explosion of insight achieved when Relativity showed it explained things Newtonian physics couldn't touch.


8 posted on 05/25/2006 1:42:48 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: RightWhale
because time is already an illusion

And lunch time doubly so.

9 posted on 05/25/2006 1:43:08 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1100 knives and counting!)
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To: Ben Mugged

All they have to do is watch AlGore for a few days...............


10 posted on 05/25/2006 1:43:17 PM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Ben Mugged

Where is that "Time Kitty" when you need one??


11 posted on 05/25/2006 1:44:45 PM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Huck

Four dimensions is easy. Meet me on the 5th floor at Main Street and Second Avenue at 3 pm today and I'll tell you all about it.

Five dimensions (of which the ARTICLE speaks) is beyond me! I seem to recall a high-school report where I had a duplicated a drawing that somehow represented the numerous (27??) dimensions that Einstein somehow figured there are???!!


12 posted on 05/25/2006 1:44:51 PM PDT by geopyg ("I would rather have a clean gov't than one where -quote- 1st Amend. rights are respected." J.McCain)
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To: avacado; geopyg

I meant four dimensions of space.


13 posted on 05/25/2006 1:46:34 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Paradox
Wow! Just wow. BTW, the 'fourth of space' is an artifact of a temporal reality, as in 'we sense only the messages sent from present arriving at our senses as past temporal. The unsensed present sending messages to our present state is what creates the artifact we interpret as present spacetime ... we don't sense present spacetime directly because we aren't equipped to sense in present only in past orientation. [Wow, would I ever love to discuss this with Lisa ... she's prettier than StephenH don'tchaknow.]
14 posted on 05/25/2006 1:47:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Huck

Try this Huck. The tree dimensions are up, down and depth.

Think of it as a cube. As you leave the cube the length, bredth and depth are frozen to you. In actuality that cube remains active, you just aren't aware of it.

Now move to a different cube that will be unfrozen to you when you arrive.

The first cube was the present. The second cube could be any time other than the present. The movement between cubes would be via the forth dimension.

Perhaps you and others will disagree that this describes the the four dimensions in an understandable way. It does for me.


15 posted on 05/25/2006 1:48:34 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Botulism: Doing the same thing over and over and over, yet expecting a different outcome.)
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To: Ben Mugged

The fourth dimension is the one next to the bottom. Next question....

16 posted on 05/25/2006 1:48:41 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (This is no time for bleeding hearts, pacifists, and appeasers to prevail in free world opinion.)
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To: geopyg

There are an infinite number of possible solutions to Einstein's equations, and an infinite number of them are also physically possible in our universe as we know it. A five-dimensional solution was one of the first proposed to Einstein, and it is a solution, but Einstein rejected it because it did not pass the reality test.


17 posted on 05/25/2006 1:49:48 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Ben Mugged

Fascinating. I wish I had the math background to understand this better.


18 posted on 05/25/2006 1:50:31 PM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: DoughtyOne

You described 3 dimensions of space with 1 dimension of time. The idea is to describe 4 dimensions of space without using time, or even saying the word time.


19 posted on 05/25/2006 1:54:21 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Mazda3Fan

Me too. My first thought: `Uh oh, smart people'. (Smart *and* pretty.)
"A philosophical shift in our understanding of the natural world."
What does that mean?


20 posted on 05/25/2006 1:58:45 PM PDT by tumblindice (Mmmmm, fried pertaters.............)
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