Posted on 05/22/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by SmithL
Now you're talking about the parent benefitting from the child. They only can do so (sometimes) because the law lets them -- why aren't you pushing instead for a law preventing illegal immigrants from benefitting from their citizen child(ren)? Why do you go after the innocent babies rather than the lawbreaking parents? I've never undertstood that, and it makes me skeptical of peoples' intentions when they sail right by the lawbreaker to crack down on the innocent third party.
"Human dignity," "Human worth," and "Human rights" are utterly meaningless phrases
One can only express so much in words, but the rights and dignity of the human person cannot be dismissed out of prejudice (and no I don't mean racism).
It's too bad that your reading comprehension does not allow you to see that
Ah, so it's insults now.
it's unfortunate that you've chosen to be so confrontational in discussing it
I've been polite and argued my point. Maybe you're a little too sensitive there, Sally, especially for someone who throws around insults themselves.
Being born is a crime?
The baby is free to either go back with his parents to Mexico, or be sent to a foster home/be adopted by a US born couple.
I can't tell, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?
Because the child is a citizen doesn't mean his parents should get to stay in the US. There's no reason they have to be given special privileges because of their child's citizenship.
I believe the phrase you underlined was meant to apply only to diplomatic personnel. Only diplomats are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US due to diplomatic immunity.
Then there are two choices, the baby goes back to his parents to Mexico, and all claims to citizenship are renounced, or the baby is put up for adoption, to a US born couple, I could live with that compromise.
When Gonzalez' grandparents came here there was no concern about illegals from Mexico. It was Chinese and Japanese being bashed then.
Personally, I think EVERY citizen should have to through something like the naturalization process before they can vote, native born or otherwise.
Then we need them more than I thought. If the native population is truly not reproducing the US is in great trouble.
Why is granting someone US citizenship a manifestation of "human rights" but giving them the citizenship of their parents a denial of same?
Unless Mexico, ipso facto, is a violation of human rights.
Ireland is -- last I checked -- an island.
I'll buy testing at the expense of the father.
I have no problem with that.
I'm really more concerned with preventing the inevitable fraud attempts than "offending" someone.
It's not really about offending anyone, it's about stripping men of their rights solely because they're men. That ought to be offensive to anyone who loves the Constitution.
Check that, there is Ulster.
The child should get citizenship by virtue of his birth in this country, and either stay with relatives in the US, go back with his parents, or I guess be given up for adoption, though that's pretty drastic. When he's 18 he'll have to decide whether to be a citizen of the US, Mexico (for ex.), or perhaps dual (don't know the exact rules on that). My sisters were born in Canada and had that option.
No crime is rewarded in any of these scenarios.
There is no "punishment" being given babies. Babies don't know or care if they are citizens or not.
It's fun to watch the Living Document Conservatives changing the interpretation of the Fourteenth Amendment again.
No birthright citizenship to children of illegals. At least one parent should already be a citizen to qualify the child for US citizenship. Other countries are already wising up and doing this.
Men are not stripped of their rights by excluding children of Illegals from automatic citizenship. Children of American citizens are citizens.
Courts won't allow it because of past atrocities in the South stripping Blacks of their right to vote through "literacy" tests.
Birthright citizenship -- the US can award or deny US citizenship, and I believe it is properly a right of birth -- don't think we can award or deny people citizenship of other countries, that's their business.
I think you're misreading and obfuscating my comment.
And children of US citizens born overseas?
It makes no sense sending millions of american kids to mexcio to poverty and no education. Plus their children would be American citizens also so what would we be getting back. You know if the HOuse could compromise a tad on the illegals with kids that are were born here I would almost be able to swallow there view
Anchor babies=Americans
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