Posted on 05/22/2006 12:49:34 PM PDT by SmithL
"A person born in the United States attain the status, with respect to citizenship, of the person's birth mother at the time of birth."
Deal?
Why only the mother?
Marriage doesn't bring automatic citizenship anymore, so you could theoretically have a situation where everybody's doing the right thing, a couple is married and trying to get citizenship for one of the spouses, and they have a child who isn't a citizen. I don't think that's proper.
I can get behind your proposal, but see no reason why mothers should be able to pass on citizenship to their children but fathers cannot.
What? HIs words don't betray him at all. I saw something interesting that shows if the GOP doesnt shape up on how they discuss this theywill lose the hispanic vote for decades. In one week,on LArry KIng and Meet the Press) the issue of what we were we going to do with the estimated 3 million kids of illegals that were born here if the parents were deported or starved out for lack of employment. Both COngressman said hey we need to worry about the American kids first instead of the children of illegal aliens that are here. WTF?
They have should have been pressed on that. Attention Congressional idiots those are American kids but it shows so much how this debate has gone so wrong in so many ways. I havent quite figured out the solution to the above problem if it should be occur. However, any congressman that doesnt give a flip about 3 miilion Americans that are children shouldnt be there. Conserv13 brings up a good point. There is a perception on this anchor baby issue that is not playing well in certain circles.
Well, if you want to bow down to international law .... ???
This is massive "injustice" towards American citizens,
So it is a terrible injustice that Pedro and Mark, born in adjacent hospital beds, are both US citizens? Get real.
one which cheapens the value of citizenship for people who insist on playing by the rules.
The baby has broken no rule. You wish to visit the sins of the parents onto the child. I reject that and consider the child as his own individual with his own human dignity and worth and rights.
Where are earth is anyone suggesting to make this retroactive?
And technically he wouldn't be an anchor baby. His mother or father would have been the anchor baby if his grandparents had him/her after they arrived.
Getting rid of automatic citizenship is a smart move. I've advocated for it for years, after watching Ireland do the same thing.
It's quite simple. Because only the mother of a child can be positively without a doubt identified in the vast majority of cases. Including the father too leaves room for fraud.
I agree with this even though it would have meant naturalizing my own children (my wife is a resident alien Japanese citizen).
No, it is an injustice that thousands of women come across the border solely for the purpose of birthing an "anchor baby", an act which cheapens the concept of "American citizenship" for people who do things properly and wait in line, sometimes for longer than a decade. What's the justice in that?
The baby has broken no rule. You wish to visit the sins of the parents onto the child. I reject that and consider the child as his own individual with his own human dignity and worth and rights.
"Human dignity," "Human worth," and "Human rights" are utterly meaningless phrases, and do not infer any requirement that we somehow grant citizenship to those involved. If they're born citizens of Mexico, they have the exact same of all three as an American citizen, and are welcome to apply for U.S. citizenship just like everyone else.
The entire construct of "birthright" citizenship is artificial. It's too bad that your reading comprehension does not allow you to see that, and it's unfortunate that you've chosen to be so confrontational in discussing it. If you feel like discussing this again without impugning my personality, feel free. Otherwise, good day.
Cordially,
~dt~
It's quite simple. Because only the mother of a child can be positively without a doubt identified in the vast majority of cases. Including the father too leaves room for fraud.
Paternity testing isn't exactly unknown.
Heck, make the fathers pay for it. But to tell American men that they don't have the right to pass on their citizenship solely because of their sex is offensive.
That sounds like something the feminists would come up with - some parenthood is more valid than others.
Children born to foreign diplomats while serving in the U.S. are not granted citizenship.
I think that is the source of the "jurisdiction" clause, isn't it ? Those foreign diplomats are clearly not subject to the jursidiction of the U.S. They have diplomatic immunity from most U.S. laws, for one thing.
So the question of whether people born here to illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. or their home country is not clear at all. The child and the parents generally are subject to U.S. laws if they commit a crime, so it seems they are subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
I think we need to look elsewhere than the "jurisdiction" argument. The law needs to be changed to include only those born here to legal immigrants -- not even legal residents -- simple as that. If they aren't legally in the pipe-line to citizenship, then their kids shouldn't be citizens either.
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This is all moot, of course—the Congress has created "birthright" citizenship as a part of their Constitutional powers over immigration and naturalization within the borders of all States acceding to the Constitution. As a result, it doesn't make sense to argue in terms of the 14th Amendment, but rather the discussion should revolve around building a consensus in Congress to alter the statutes which have created it.
(Something, which I'll sadly say, is almost impossible at this point. Our representatives and senators in the Congress are too far gone to listen to us. IMO, of course—I'm not trying to be fatalistic on purpose, Publius! I'm just reacting to the reality of the situation, as viewed by someone who lives close enough to the Congress to read the tea leaves. :) )
Ireland grants automatic citizenship to all babies born on their soil. Foreign parents can then apply for citizenship themselves, based on their child's Irish citizenship.
An illegal alien's child should not be a citizen by default. They are here illegally, they are aliens in this country and they and their children should go home to Mexico or wherever they come from and seek to get to this nation legally...or if not, to change things in their own country for the better.
That may seem hard, and even perhaps harsh...but it is not. That is what happened in this country and there has been a lot of sacrifice and blood spilled since to keep it that way. It's the way it works. Thomas Jefferson understood this.
The tree of liberty is watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants...here or anywhere else.
The anchor babies are free to go back to Mexico with their parents. The saying is, if you cant do the time, dont do the crime, and their parents coming to the US in an illegal fashion is a crime. The GOP will loose portions of the Hispanic vote for a while, but if this invasion of illegals is not stopped in a dramatic fashion, and soon, the non country club segment of the GOP will just stay home.
Its great that so called "conservatives" such as you want to reward crimes. The baby is free to either go back with his parents to Mexico, or be sent to a foster home/be adopted by a US born couple.
Obviously many so called "conservatives" do not understand the threat this once great nation now faces, and if the trends are not stopped, much less reversed, this once great nation will be socially and politicaly like California.
Families have been split up by immigration, but it's when one spouse is an illegal and the other is a U.S. citizen. But that typically happens when the illegal has committed a felony. Even marrying an American won't stop deportation then. Other times, they will place the child in foster care and deport the parent. They tried to do that with a 9/11 widow whose child was American but who was here on an accompanying spouse visa when her husband, on an H1B. He died in the WTC collapse. They were both waiting for their green cards when it happened. Political pressure let the green card application continue and now she is an LPR.
Well, I don't give a flip about certain circles. Specially self-appointed, self-important ones.
All these "Americans that are children" have families (adults) which are using them for illegal purposes.
My position is that no one no matter how high a horse he manages to imagine he's on, should presume to value the welfare of the child more than its actual parents.
That's not too complicated, is it?
Some things need to change if the nation is going to maintain its social and political integrity. The educational systems and mainline churches, forces that one worked for assimilation now are very much so against it, and it will take decades to reverse these entrenched isntitions, and in the maintime, immigrants are further pushing the US to a long term left wing majority.
The US is going to have to take extreme measures to prevent this perversion.
I remember quite clearly, those same words of despair being spoken in the context of the hopelessness of redirecting the long-standing bias of the Supreme Court.
Miracles do happen; the impossible takes a little longer.
Not re-electing incumbents who fail to act may be a slow process, but it is ultimately effective.
Let's start with the RINOs. Help and campaign for any GOP challenger who promises to act more and talk less.
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