Traders Gun Shop Told to Close June 1(more jackbooted batfe abuse)

http://www.ebpublishing.com/ ^ | 5 18 06 | Jim Knowles

[freepatriot32]

i cant even begin to describe how happy I am that we have a republican majority in the white house, congress, and senate because now that that is the case this abuse of private citizens and the constitution by federal gov beurocrats will come to a screeching halt.

[freepatriot32]

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[freepatriot32]

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[TXnMA]

Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

[GingisK]

Traders can’t account for 1,767 weapons, and that guns sold at Traders turn up in crimes at an alarming rate.

This one defys logic. If "Traders" doesn't have the records, how does the ATF know the guns were purchaced in his store? The dealer keeps the records. They are not forwarded to the ATF. As usual, the ATF is a cancor on Freedom.

[RonF]

My guess would be that the gun manufacturers track who they sell their guns to. If this store has bought 10,000 guns from the manufacturers and can only account for 8,700 of the guns it's sold, I'd say there's a problem.

What would happen to a car dealership that couldn't account for 1,700 cars that it sold? I think the BATF might be on the right side on this one.

[durasell]

Wouldn't they have receipts of what they bought from the manufacturers? It would be a simple matter of comparing the invoices from manufacturers to purchase paperwork, then adding in the current in-store inventory...

[driftdiver]

I don't think Bush is pro gun. He is a globalist and gun grabbing fits into their agenda. If he was pro gun rights the ATF would not be doing the things they are doing.

The ATF should be disbanded and the agents barred from any position in law enforcement.

[lakeman]

they (the ATF) inspect your "bound book" in which all transactions must be recorded. As a small dealer selling only 50 to 75 guns a year I can attest that it is easy to make a error in the book. The ATF will go back to the manufacturer of a gun used in a crime and look to whom it was shipped. You had better have your I's dotted and your T's crossed as the ATF will not have mercy on you.

[ishabibble]

Do you know if there is a video showing the ATF agent blowing Mrs. Randy Weaver's head off as she stood in her doorway, holding her baby?

I was just looking at the Elian Gonzalez gov't kidnap photos to recall whether those Janet Reno shock troops who went in after the 6 yr. old child with automatic weapons were ATF. Nope.

I must have been thinking of Wesley Clark's Waco Compound Disaster. That was ATF. At least it was before the U.S. Army fired on the American citizens inside.


p.s. If one picture is worth a thousand words, the Elian photo is a must have for anyone trying to stop Hillary Clinton from gaining power. It takes a village, and this is how Hillary runs her village. Beyond disgraceful.

[durasell]

That seems reasonable, particularly if you're taking a defendant to trial. If you can definitely link a defendant to the purchase of a weapon used in a crime then a prosecutor has a better chance of conviction.

[mountainlyons]

I bet the ATF can't account for the billions of tax dollars they have spent!

[lakeman]

The problem is if you have an error in your books even a simple error you can find yourself sitting next to the perp who ended up with the gun in question fighting a prosecutor who has unlimited money to make the case you (the dealer) is the root of the crime.

[durasell]

Are there actual "books" or is there a computer program that can help correct errors, etc.?

[freepatriot32]

Is there even the remotest chance thaat the JBTs are right on this one case?

I doubt it if there was a real problem with this gun dealer the atf wouldnt haveto go all the way back to 1970 to find transaction that may be bad and the store owner himself said the some of thethings the atf are pointing out are just paperwork errors like an mistyped serial number if the irs acted the same way the atf acts almost everyone would be in jail for some paperwork mistake if they went back through all the tax records for 20 or 30 years

[lakeman]

no it is an actual book that must be filled out by hand. Every gun must be entered even if it is a repair that will take five minutes to fix.

[justshutupandtakeit]

This store can't account for almost 2 thousand guns. Seems a trifle strange. Are they arming terrorists, street gangs, both?

[justshutupandtakeit]

If Bush is not pro gun then 99% of Americans are not pro-gun. Being certifiably insane is not a necessary qualification for being Pro-gun.

BTW you don't even know what a "globalist" is.

[durasell]

That's just moronic. There's no reason why there can't be certified software available to do it. I can see gun stores scanning in a barcode on the box to enter the serial number of the firearm, then scanning in a driver's license for the customer information. Then re-enter by hand as a double-check.

It's been a number of years since I purchased a firearm, but you'd think the record keeping system would have at least kept up with technology.

[brazzaville]

Good morning.
"Do you know if there is a video showing the ATF agent blowing Mrs. Randy Weaver's head off as she stood in her doorway, holding her baby?"

I believe that murder was done by Lon Horiuchi of FBI's Hostage Rescue team, taking over for the US Marshals. The JBT with the MP5 pointed at Elian is probably HRT, as well.

They also took over after ATF's cattle car massacre at Waco and I believe Horiuchi was there also. It looks like Elian may have been lucky.

Michael Frazier