Traders Gun Shop Told to Close June 1(more jackbooted batfe abuse)

http://www.ebpublishing.com/ ^ | 5 18 06 | Jim Knowles

[justshutupandtakeit]

That is not what he said. He said he would sign it if Congress reauthorized it.

Oh, and 99% of Americans are neither pro-gun nor pro-2d. I would say 55-60% tops.

[Prost1]

The ATF is the last bastion of Clintonistas.

When has anyone ever heard of Bush putting conservatives in charge of this runaway domestic terrorist group?

[jmc813]

Oh, and 99% of Americans are neither pro-gun nor pro-2d. I would say 55-60% tops.

I totally agree with that. Sorry if I was misleading.

[Atlas Sneezed]

Somehow the other gunshops across the land manage to avoid making such egregious errors and do follow the law. ATF operates under federal law.

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Somehow, the cops can follow any responsible motorist and find cause for a dozen infractions. The IRS can rectally examine any diligent taxpayer and find cause for penalties.

The difference with the ATF is that they are famous as dishonest scumbags. I'll believe an unknown accused before a known liar.

And considering that the rules they are enforcing are ones that I oppose, I certainly don't care about whether they were even violated.

[Atlas Sneezed]

It's also unusual to have that many crime-scene gun traces, too....one in eight?

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That fraction would seem to depend on whether there was a lot of crime in the area, and not based on the bookkeeping skills of the gun shop.

Oakland?

[justshutupandtakeit]

I have been driving for 45 years and have NEVER been pulled over without legitimate cause. Perhaps you should remove the "Cops Are Pigs" bumpersticker off your car.

[Atlas Sneezed]

I have been driving for 45 years and have NEVER been pulled over without legitimate cause. Perhaps you should remove the "Cops Are Pigs" bumpersticker off your car.

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I and many I know have been, and with no such stickers, or disfavored race, etc.

My wife just was. Some motorcycle cop jerk decided he wanted to pass her, and he was unable, so had to fall in behind her (she was 15 under the limit, slowing for a red light, unaware of his intentions. Never having gotten ahead of her, he ticketed her for "following too close." A laughable charge from a corrupt liar. We'll see ho he testilies in court. There is NO traffic cop who does not do that as a matter of routine to get convictions in traffic court. NONE.

[justshutupandtakeit]

At least she wasn't charged with "Mopery with Intent to gawk." Seriously though I am sorry to hear of your troubles.

[dcwusmc]

The BATFags should not even EXIST. It is not now or ever any business of the government who has sold what firearm to whom, period. If someone commits a crime using a weapon, PUNISH THE CRIME. Alcohol, Tobacci, Firearms and Explosives should be on a convnience store menu, NOT A GOVERNMENT AGENCY!

[driftdiver]

"Not so idiotic as to Bush is not pro 2d amendment or to believe in the Globaloney crap the kooks try and peddle to the gullible.

As I said "you don't even know what a globalist is"."

You lack coherency.

Again, if Bush is pro 2nd then why does he allow the ATF to run wild?

Globalism is real, read the newspaper, read UN announcements, look at the world around you. You might cut down on the booze too.

[RonF]

The whole concept of having one bureau oversee booze, guns, and cigars seems amazing to me, anyway. It sounds like a role John Belushi was born to play.

[justshutupandtakeit]

It is extremely clear that the Globaloneyists don't have a clue and their crackpot political theories are more full of holes than a slice of swiss cheese. You are no exception as your inability to tell me what a "globalist" is shows. Beyond being a nice nonsensical buzz word favored by those lacking in fundamental understanding of political economy the word has no meaning to serious students of world affairs.

It is like an animist belief that Evil Spirits control affairs and is persisted in by those with a preference for kook theories rather than scientific and logical analysis.

[freepatriot32]

Your link is to an online store.

You must have clicked on a different link. The link in my post 27 goes straight to the radio interview i just clicked it and listened to it again

[driftdiver]

"It is extremely clear that the Globaloneyists don't have a clue and their crackpot political theories are more full of holes than a slice of swiss cheese"

ok, so put down that beer and name one of those theories that are full of holes. Then provide a source where I support that theory.

"Beyond being a nice nonsensical buzz word favored by those lacking in fundamental understanding of political economy the word has no meaning to serious students of world affairs."

And an ostrich thinks its invisible when its really only hiding its head.

"It is like an animist belief that Evil Spirits control affairs and is persisted in by those with a preference for kook theories rather than scientific and logical analysis."

You're good with name calling but seriously lacking in facts. Again, put down the beer professor. Your argument may be adequate in the academic world but it doesnt make it out here in the real world.

[Joe Brower]

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[Inyo-Mono]

That's just moronic. There's no reason why there can't be certified software available to do it. I can see gun stores scanning in a barcode on the box to enter the serial number of the firearm, then scanning in a driver's license for the customer information. Then re-enter by hand as a double-check.

Actually, there is. A gun store owner can go online and enter all the information that you fill out in your paperwork. However, ATF still requires paper hardcopies of everything and the little book has to be filled out too.

[Stone Mountain]

Actually, the area that my brother-in-law's store is at is a very high crime area in Arizona. I don't have any statistics, but I would guess that the crime rate is worse in his area than in San Francisco, and would probably rival some of the areas in East Oakland... Crime is definitely an ongoing concern of the residents there.

[Dead Corpse]

They can't take our guns, so they will pick off dealers and manufacturers one by one until there is no place left to buy firearms.

Then all they need to do is arbitrarily change the law again requiring all transfers be done through a then non-existant dealer.

[verity]

Knee jerk reaction.

[Stone Mountain]

I should also add that I defintiely agree with you in that the statistic is somewhat meaningless without a comparison of other store statistics in the Bay Area... Still 1 in 8 sounds like a lot to me just off the top of my head. But if I were to learn that all the Bay Area stores have around a 1 in 10 rate, I wouldn't see that as that bad. However, if other stores are closer to 1 in 50 or less, then that would indicate to me that criminals are selecting this store disproportionately to purchase their guns, and I would have to ask why. If they are consistently not sending in correct paperwork or allowing customers to get away with a little fudging of data on their applications,it would make it harder to trace weapons that were used in a crime,and that could be a reason for the high crime stats.