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1 posted on 05/17/2006 3:30:35 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

The greenies found a word that makes development sound bad, and people are eating it up. Sprawl sounds evil, but if you asked people would they rather live in a subdivision or a 10-story appartment building, everyone would pick the nice house with their own yard.


2 posted on 05/17/2006 3:50:16 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: billorites
The real reason that "sprawl" has a bad name is that it is the buzzword invented by the "self-anointed experts" in city planning who actually want to cram all of us into mega-city anthills, and turn the suburbs over to the buffalo.
4 posted on 05/17/2006 4:24:12 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: billorites
Heh! Half the people in my little piece of suburban sprawl are armed ... let them try to drive us out!
5 posted on 05/17/2006 4:33:47 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: TXFireman

bump


6 posted on 05/17/2006 4:45:03 AM PDT by Jonx6
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To: billorites

I hate people who hijack a thread, but in this case I'm going to have to hate myself. In my area sprawl is being driven partly by immigration. There are half a million illegals in my neck of the woods, and who knows how many legal immigrants, and people do move further and further out from the center of the city in part in order to avoid the social consequences of this crowding. They're creating sprawl in an effort to avoid crime, overcrowded schools, and awful local traffic that are made worse by an additional half a million people. By moving out more they're trying to recapture a vanished vision of the suburbia they knew as children: safe, clean, green, quiet, with the friendly residents not stressed out by the need to fight traffic and crime all the time. And when the place they moved to gets swamped by social problems they move even further away, creating even more traffic on the major inbound arteries.


7 posted on 05/17/2006 4:47:29 AM PDT by Fairview
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To: billorites
Ping for later read.

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8 posted on 05/17/2006 4:51:01 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: billorites

I dunno--sprawl does decrease quality of life. It does stink when you move to an area for its natural beauty and (within 10 years) most of that gets cleared to build new developments and strip malls. Not to mention the increase in congestion. I was told the land behind my previous house was "forever wild"--but that didn't stop then from tearing down the forrest to build a road (one of the reasons why I ended up moving). Of course, the answer is to move EVEN FURTHER out to get back the lifestyle you used to have, but that costs $$ and you can't enjoy it if you're commuting 3+ hours a day. And, of course, sooner or later the sprawl will catch up to you again.

With all the illegals they're bringing in, most urban areas and suburbs will be looking like Rio slums soon enough.


9 posted on 05/17/2006 4:54:25 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: billorites
The problem in Los Angeles is a deflation of greatly raised expectations.

This one statement sums up the problem better than anything I've seen in a long time.

11 posted on 05/17/2006 5:47:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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I live in sprawl and I like it. Do-gooder urbanites who think we should all live in downtown crackerboxes and ride the subway can go to hell.

-ccm

13 posted on 05/17/2006 10:38:45 AM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: billorites

Why is it that the same people who blather endlessly about "sprawl" are usually engraged if someone has the audacity to suggest restricting immigration?


15 posted on 05/17/2006 10:51:20 AM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: billorites
Good article. It seems that those against sprawl are those who have already moved out to the suburbs and want to keep everybody else back in the city. Of course they want to have Starbucks and Barnes & Noble around. They just don't want Wal-Mart, Applebees and Quik-Pik convenience stores because they will just bring in the riff-raff.

I live near Hanscom Air Field where there have been on-again, off-again plans to turn it into a commercial airport to take stress off of Logan Airport - some 25 miles to the east. Everytime this is considered, the Yuppies in the area throw up thousands of lawn signs saying "Protect our Community" and other such nonsense.

Of course, all these Yuppies do a lot of flying and order a lot of stuff overnight by FedEx but they just want to keep the planes flying over the riff-raff in Revere, Lynn, East Boston and Dorchester. Now the skies around here are full of private jets and military aircraft coming into Hanscom. Hanscom is already the second busiest airport in New England. But for some reason, commercial jets like those from Delta, American or USAir are just not acceptable.

16 posted on 05/22/2006 7:28:08 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: Joe Brower
Bill Belleville's new book is on my list to read: Losing It All to Sprawl: How Progress Ate My Cracker Landscape

He's an environmentalist, but he has some valid points about Florida development destroying the land.

18 posted on 05/22/2006 7:36:05 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: billorites

Yep, suburbia is great except for the liberal socialist whiners, and public transportation is actually the "criminal delivery system" designed to move the gang bangers, thugs and rapists from their "turf" to their hunting grounds.


19 posted on 05/22/2006 7:44:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (How come Mexican illegals don't sneak into Cuba?)
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