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Iraq Has a Lower Violent Death Rate Than Washington, Baltimore or Atlanta
The Rush Limbaugh Show | may 16, 2006 | Rush Lumbaugh

Posted on 05/16/2006 5:46:34 PM PDT by Retain Mike

Iraq Has a Lower Violent Death Rate Than Washington, Baltimore or Atlanta

May 16, 2006

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RUSH: Interesting story today in the New York Sun:

"It's that time of year when New Yorkers start making their summer vacation plans. Renting a place in the Hamptons? Nah, been there, done that. How about a Parisian jaunt? Noooo. Too many riots. Well, how about visiting a country that's ancient, historic, beautiful and exotic - Iraq? Sure, there's a little war going on there, but when you look at the violent death statistics in the world, [Iraq is] safer than a number of other popular travel destinations. Believe it or not. I happened to catch Rep. Steve King, a Republican of Iowa, on C-span last week and he rattled off some startling figures that demonstrate how off-base journalists are when it comes to reporting on the war in Iraq.

"According to Mr. King, the violent death rate in Iraq is 25.71 per 100,000. That may sound high, but not when you compare it to places like Colombia 61.7" per 100,000 death rate, violent death rate. South Africa, has a higher violent death rate per 100,000: 49.6 per 100,000. Even Jamaica has a higher violent death rate than does Iraq: 32.4, and Venezuela comes in at 31.6 violent deaths per 100,000. "How about the violent death rates in American cities? New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina was 53.1," violent death rate per 100,000. "FBI statistics for 2004-05 have Washington" DC's violent death rate at 45.9 per 100,000; Baltimore at 37.7 per 100,000, and Atlanta at 34.9 per 100,000. The figure again from Iraq, 25.71 per 100,000, and that includes the war.

So Iraq, I mean, if you're just going to roll the dice and take your chances, Iraq's a much safer place to go than Washington or Jamaica or New Orleans pre-Katrina, or Venezuela!

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: atlanta; baltimore; crimerate; death; iraq; rate; washingtondc; wot
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I knew my wife and I were on the right track praying fervently for our son, while he was stationed in Washington D.C. with Marine Presidential Securty forces. At the 8th and I Streets Marine base (est. 1801) my son, while on duty regularly heard small arms fire nearby, because it was adjacent a really bad neighborhood. He also survived riding a Kawasaki 750cc motorcycle. Now he is scheduled to deploy with 3/4 Marines, probably as one of those "Strategic Corporals" General Krulak referred to in discussing the "Three Block War". Rush is commenting on a New York Sun article, and I hope a subscriber reads the thread and post the article in its entirety.
1 posted on 05/16/2006 5:46:38 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

Great! Probably most big Blue Cities are as dangerous or more so than Baghdad.


2 posted on 05/16/2006 5:49:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Retain Mike

That is news, particularly because violent deaths in those places are lower now than in the late 1980's/early 1990's.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 5:50:06 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Cindy; Ernest_at_the_Beach; nutmeg; SandRat; devolve; pissant; ASA Vet; backhoe; piasa

Fyi, files, and ping lists.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 5:51:02 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Grampa Dave

I have been sarcastically arguing this point for a long time.
Now there is the real evidence and I am surprised!


5 posted on 05/16/2006 5:55:36 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: Retain Mike
I always argued with my bleeding heart liberal wankers that the best place a black man can be is in the military. Go in at 16 come out at 25. I always said that the scariest black man is not a gangbanger but a man in a uniform complimented with an education and the martial knowledge to defend himself.

Liberals wake up in a sweat when they have a 'nightmare' like this. To them a black man has to be angry, dependent and the worst thing, not rooted to a purpose bigger than himself.

6 posted on 05/16/2006 5:58:40 PM PDT by bubman
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To: Retain Mike

"Aw jeez, not this sh** again!"

He compares the violent-death statistic for the entire country to the statistic for a third-rate city. How many car bombings are happening in the 90% of places in Iraq that don't have any cars?


7 posted on 05/16/2006 6:05:48 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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I have a feeling there is some statistical misinformation going on here... Does anyone know where I can get this data ( I assume its a cluster study). Im a bit sceptical with these numbers, but I have been wrong before.


8 posted on 05/16/2006 6:12:04 PM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: Grampa Dave

Your more likely to catch disease, end up benighted, or just smell bad too if you're living in a blue state.


9 posted on 05/16/2006 6:18:04 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly
I looked at this.

Some of our cities are indeed higher than 25/100K, but as far as states go, none are that high -- the very violent cities are countered by the relatively safe rest of the state. Only DC is higher (double). I'm sure Baghdad or Tikrit taken alone would score higher than any of our cities.

10 posted on 05/16/2006 6:25:17 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: jiggyboy

South Africa, has a higher violent death rate per 100,000: 49.6 per 100,000. Even Jamaica has a higher violent death rate than does Iraq: 32.4, and Venezuela comes in at 31.6 violent deaths per 100,00

Third rate cities? Better brush up on your geography.


11 posted on 05/16/2006 6:25:20 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Retain Mike

I remember Ann Coulter saying she would not leave the hotel at night in DC - when there was a discussion of leaving an hotel in Iraq.


12 posted on 05/16/2006 6:27:15 PM PDT by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly

I agree with you and don't care for how it minimizes the sacrifices made by our troops.

For example, we have 140000-160000 troops on the ground and they have been sustaining in the neighborhood of 800 deaths per year, not to mention the casualties. That's orders of magnitudes higher than the cherry picked stats in the article.

Also, the Iraqis who stand up to be police and soldiers are getting wacked at a rate of about 800 per month! It's still a low intensity war people!


13 posted on 05/16/2006 6:28:38 PM PDT by Wristpin ("The Yankees announce plan to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Retain Mike

Using the rat logic that murderers choosing to murder people in Iraq means we haven't won the war...I guess it was never "mission accomplished" for George Washington then.


14 posted on 05/16/2006 6:29:10 PM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: antiRepublicrat

"Some of our cities are indeed higher than 25/100K, but as far as states go, none are that high -- the very violent cities are countered by the relatively safe rest of the state. Only DC is higher (double). I'm sure Baghdad or Tikrit taken alone would score higher than any of our cities."


OK but I was questioning more the validity of the Iraq figures, which are not listed on the site you gave me.


15 posted on 05/16/2006 6:31:29 PM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: Szent_Adam_Kiraly; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; ...


Well - you're wrong again

FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Report


Google it up

Do some research before commenting you are dubious


I have posted info on DC & Chicago on FR for several years


The NRA-ILA or your US Senator's local staff will send out stats

Joe Lieberman has sent out full FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Reports for years

New Orleans is another killer city as are Detroit, Miami, Gary, St. Louis, LA, Houston, ....

Teen black males in DC have a higher kill per/100,000 then during the Rwanda slaughters were



Compliments of the US Congress and the Beltway Media who bury the info









16 posted on 05/16/2006 6:36:34 PM PDT by devolve (fx Americans_Killed_In_2003_by_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_4380+4745=9125)
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To: Retain Mike

Quagmire bump.


17 posted on 05/16/2006 6:39:55 PM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: bubman
I always argued with my bleeding heart liberal wankers that the best place a black man can be is in the military. Go in at 16 come out at 25. I always said that the scariest black man is not a gangbanger but a man in a uniform complimented with an education and the martial knowledge to defend himself.

Historically, the military was where you sent young men who needed some sorting out and instruction in discipline

18 posted on 05/16/2006 6:40:08 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: devolve

Yah.. I did some research, and most of what I could find for Iraq violent death rates were based on retrospective cluster studies.


19 posted on 05/16/2006 6:41:17 PM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: devolve

Houston now has an even higher crime rate since the New Orleans refugees moved in - and stayed.


20 posted on 05/16/2006 6:42:17 PM PDT by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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