To: oxcart
It's not as simple as just distillation. Ethanol forms a eutectic mixture with water at about 96%/4%, and cannot be distilled to a greater purity. That amount of water, when mixed with gasoline, can cause serious problems in IC engines. The distillate must be chemically treated to remove the remainder of the water before it can be used for fuel in an engine that is not specifically built for the task.
Also, An engine built to operate most efficiently with ethanol would need a higher compression ratio than one built for gasoline. This is determined in the engine design and not alterable during operation, so any engine that uses a variable mixture of the two is not optimized.
To: MainFrame65
The cost of producing vegetable based fuel is so much higher than buying gas. We're not even close to the break even point yet.
17 posted on
05/16/2006 9:46:29 AM PDT by
bicyclerepair
(Moonbats are everywhere!)
To: MainFrame65
"The distillate must be chemically treated to remove the remainder of the water before it can be used for fuel in an engine that is not specifically built for the task."
Ethanol does not have to be chemically treated to remove excess water. Pure ethanol can be had simply by filtering through charcoal. Most people with home stills at least use molecular sieves made from zeolites to extract the water. These are generally little balls made from "microporous crystalline solids with well-defined structures." They soak up water but not ethanol, and can be dried and reused over and over again. The company that was the subject of this article well sell you zeolite pellets for $4.75 a pound with free shipping. There are also ways to dehydrate the ethanol using dried corn or other biomass to extract the water, different low pressure distilling methods, and other means that do not necessarily require the use of toxic chemicals.
"Also, An engine built to operate most efficiently with ethanol would need a higher compression ratio than one built for gasoline. This is determined in the engine design and not alterable during operation, so any engine that uses a variable mixture of the two is not optimized."
I've read that there are some turbo-charged fuel injected engines that run more efficiently on ethanol than gasoline. Ethanol normally produces something like 30% less energy than gasoline, but there are already cars with engines capable of doing better than that on or roadways, and there are modification people can make to existing engines that will allow them to use more than the 20% or 25% or so ethanol their engines can already handle and modifications that will help with fuel efficiency. And if gas prices remain high as they are expected to do, the lower efficiency of ethanol in standard engines won't matter that much to consumers because even if they have to burn more ethanol to get where they are going, they'll still spend less because ethanol is considerably cheaper than gasoline at the moment. If gas prices go much higher, I'm buying a still. I'd rather not fund the crazy Arabs with my fuel purchases anyway.
30 posted on
05/16/2006 12:26:16 PM PDT by
TKDietz
To: MainFrame65
Also, An engine built to operate most efficiently with ethanol would need a higher compression ratio than one built for gasoline. This is determined in the engine design and not alterable during operation, so any engine that uses a variable mixture of the two is not optimized.
There always has to be a party-pooper.
35 posted on
05/16/2006 12:33:01 PM PDT by
hdstmf
To: MainFrame65
any engine that uses a variable mixture of the two is not optimized. Turbocharger and variable pressure wastegate. Viola variable compression ratios. (Granted those wastegates are'nt cheap, about $500 for my burner, but weeeee it sure makes avgas fun.)
41 posted on
05/16/2006 12:42:58 PM PDT by
Dinsdale
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