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Russia quadruples Belarus gas prices; crisis fears grow
The Irish Times ^ | Tue, Apr 04, 06 | Chris Stephen

Posted on 05/13/2006 7:23:10 AM PDT by A. Pole

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To: spanalot

"Once again, you use the tactic of red herrings to deflect attention away from the subject of this post - and that is that the Russians would sell their mothers for a kopec."

The complicity of your fellow Ukrainian nationalists in the genocide of the Jewish people is a red herring? You heard here first folks - spanalot considers the execution of Jews by Nazi-led Ukrainian nationalists a trivial matter.


181 posted on 05/16/2006 4:53:43 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

"The jewish Doctors were killed in the Great Terror of the late 30's when Stalin killed 5-10 million."

Wrong - Jews were not picked out for a pogrom during the Purges of the 30s. They were victims, just as Russians, Ukrainians, and others were. However, as the rolls of the NKVD will show, Jewish people were able to attain high ranking positions under Stalin.

The Jews as a people WERE selected for a pogrom toward the end of Stalin's life when Beria decided to start a pogrom based on a b.s. story that Jewish doctors were plotting to kill Stalin. Stalin died before the pogrom could take hold and Beria was arrested. The Jewish doctors were freed. I lived next door to one at Kudrinskaya Square in Moscow. If you want - I'll give you his email address and you can talk to him about it. He'll be appalled at the way you trivialize any non-Ukrainian death.


182 posted on 05/16/2006 4:56:56 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

I also notice your silence about the Ukrainian who was the one who prosecuted the majority of the Purge victims:

Andrey Vyshinsky, aka, Stalin's hangman, was born in Odessa, Ukraine where he lived and grew up. He joined the Bolsheviks in the Ukraine.

"Between 1934 and 1938 Vyshinsky prosecuted many leading politicians accused of conspiring against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet government.

In 1940 Vyshinsky was given the responsibility of managing the occupation of Latvia. He also helped establish communism in Romania before becoming foreign minister in March, 1949. He survived the purge that followed the death of Joseph Stalin in 1953 and continued as the Soviet representative in the United Nations. Andrey Vyshinsky died in New York on 22nd November, 1954."

Yet another Ukrainian hangman complicit in the deaths of millions.


183 posted on 05/16/2006 5:04:48 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

And let's not forget about your fellow Ukrainian, Pavel Sudoplatov:

"Pavel Sudoplatov (1907 - September, 1996) [born in Melitopol, Ukraine to a Ukrainian father/Russian mother] was a member of the intelligence services of the Soviet Union who rose to the rank of major general. He was involved in several famous incidents of the early Cold War, including the assassination of Leon Trotsky, and the Soviet espionage program which obtained information about the atomic bomb from the Manhattan Project. His autobiography, Special Tasks, made him well-known outside Russia, and provided a detailed look at Soviet intelligence and Soviet internal politics during his years at the top."

Looks like it was a Ukrainian who was able to steal our atomic secrets and put the world in danger for decades. You Ukrainians must be so proud.


184 posted on 05/16/2006 5:20:37 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

"If you want - I'll give you his email address and you can talk to him about it."

I gladly accept your invitation. Pls advise on email address.


185 posted on 05/16/2006 5:22:52 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot

You have freepmail.


186 posted on 05/16/2006 5:26:28 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Romanov

That figures "Mail undeliverable".


187 posted on 05/16/2006 5:56:57 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: Romanov; lizol; Tailgunner Joe; Lukasz; Stellar Dendrite

"Sudoplatov"

hardly a Ukrainian name but this does prove that you will attack every post critical of the Russians --and you will use red herrings , ad hominems, and straw dogs to deflect the original argument


188 posted on 05/16/2006 5:59:48 PM PDT by spanalot
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To: spanalot; GarySpFc; x5452

"Sudoplatov"

hardly a Ukrainian name but this does prove that you will attack every post critical of the Russians --and you will use red herrings , ad hominems, and straw dogs to deflect the original argument"

Sudoplatov was VERY Ukrainian and actually returned there and was involved heavily in Ukrainian politics after the fall of the Soviet Union. But, of course, since he's Ukrainian and damaged US national security, you'll try to repaint him as a Russian.

Red herrings, ad hominems, and straw dogs, eh? It's actually called being factual with history and not rewriting it to suit whatever nationalist viewpoint one has. FACT - Ukrainians are just as guilty as Russians in the Soviet crimes. FACT - Ukrainians assisted the Nazis in WWII and the Soviets in WWII. Both criminal regimes.
FACT - Stepan Bandera, even though he ran afoul of the Nazis, collaborated with them and killed Jews in Lvov when he was attempting to create an independent Ukraine - he also engaged in sabotage and killed Poles.
FACT - Many Ukrainians AND Russians died as a result of the Soviet regime's crimes.
FACT - Soviets are guilty - Nationalities are not.
FACT - That is the point of ALL of my posts to you. What you engage in is xenophobic hate-mongering. That you claim to be an American and engage in this in support of the Ukrainian nationalist movement shows you have loyalties that are to a foreign movement.


189 posted on 05/16/2006 6:27:08 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

PS - your buddy Stellar Dendrite was banned a while back.


190 posted on 05/16/2006 6:30:10 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: spanalot

That figures you'd claim to get that since I just sent him one with no problem.


191 posted on 05/16/2006 6:31:06 PM PDT by Romanov
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To: Atlantic Bridge
As I said I have no idea how to get out of this mess. Do you?

Another case, Gazprom and the German companies broke the ownership laws. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442739/posts

Moncrief Oil seeks damages from BASF in Siberian gas field dispute - report


192 posted on 05/17/2006 9:54:08 AM PDT by Lukasz
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