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To: wotan
Do you not worry that a fragmented conservative base has allowed itself to become marginalized and isolated around polarized perspectives? For example, the voice of main street conservatives is clear. Obviously, main street wants tough immigration policies. Business (the money) and Republican elites want a guest worker program and amnesty. Generally, I think the President has done a reasonably good job of trying to occupy the middle ground on really difficult issues. He understands the need to keep business and money on side (Rupert Murdoch notwithstanding). Ironically President Bush runs hard to the right but has governed from the center. Clinton ran hard to the left but governed to the center under pressure from a Republican congress. Hilarity will run hard to the right and govern on the left.
30 posted on 05/13/2006 5:13:01 AM PDT by spatso
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To: spatso
the President has done a reasonably good job of trying to occupy the middle ground on really difficult issues.

You do realize that he has casted zero, yes zero vetos since taking office.

That is not left, right, or center.

That is spineless, particularly when the Republican Congress is spending money like drunken sailors on left-wing social programs.
32 posted on 05/13/2006 5:19:59 AM PDT by cgbg (Should traitors live long enough to have book deals?)
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To: spatso
Do you not worry that a fragmented conservative base has allowed itself to become marginalized and isolated around polarized perspectives?

Yes, but I think the only way to save the country from conservatives losing slowly is to offer a clear alternative to what we've been getting. Both parties are under the control of egalitarian ideologies that simply have to be confronted. Yes, for a while we will drop faster, but when the disastrous consequences appear, and it is clear that "real" conservatives are not part of them, because they are constantly attacking the establishment on fundamental issues and the establishment media is constantly attacking them, then conservatives will at last gain politically.

In Britain and France now you have a situation where nationalist parties (the BNP and the National Front) are gaining ground quickly precisely because they have endured the negative media barrage and stuck to their nationalism and traditionalism in opposing illegal immigration, etc. My guess is that the counterpart to these organizations in this country will be the Constitution Party. It might also be the Republican Party if there is a conservative takeover, but the odds seem against it.

97 posted on 05/14/2006 4:45:18 AM PDT by wotan
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