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The game has not changed, we face the same enemy, same challenges. The Beast never dies!
May 10, 2006 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/11/2006 12:52:43 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 05/11/2006 1:43:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Jim Robinson

Excellent article.

Personally, I think the left is playing us like a violin. There has been so much disinformation sown by the left that it is often hard for us to get a clear idea of the issues. This is a standard leftist technique, pollute the information at its source; I think they were threatened by the advent of the New Media (us) but they have found a way around this by infiltrating and preventing us from rationally discussing things by the careful use of inaccuracy, innuendo and sloganeering. Typical leftist tactics.

There are many things I disagree with Bush on (particularly spending and his decision to handle Dem crimes with kid gloves), but none of them would justify putting a Dem back in government in any capacity. We have gotten good Supreme Court justices, we are getting the CIA cleaned up, and I think a good foundation is being laid for defending our country. This could all change overnight if the Dems get in. When the Muslims attack us - which they will, sooner or later - the left will simply open the door and let them walk in, because the goals of the left and the goals of Islam are identical: domination of every aspect of our lives and extinction of our individuality and independence.


61 posted on 05/11/2006 2:44:26 AM PDT by livius
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To: Jim Robinson

62 posted on 05/11/2006 2:45:33 AM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The unions are being destroyed as much by illegals as any other wage earner group in the class. If the marxist/socialists are responsible for the problem, why is it the Republican administration that is doing zip about it, making excuses why not to do anything about it and lying to us out both sides of their mouth on the issue, sir? Love ya dearly; but, this don't seem to stand up to scrutiny. If it's marxists and Republicans, are you equating the two yourself? If you are, then there's no reason to stand with Pubs and all the more reason to shop another platform a little more honest of forthright.


63 posted on 05/11/2006 2:46:15 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Jim Robinson

Both Senators from my state mentioned... How proud am I...?

Click... (insert gun into mouth)... - Boom -

Never missed a poll.

Never will.


64 posted on 05/11/2006 2:47:08 AM PDT by mmercier (for such there is no refuge)
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To: rdb3

The answer would be the huge difference of positions on the issue within the movement. There is no other issue where conservatives are this far apart in their positions. Object to tone of the fight fine but this fight is totally justified.


65 posted on 05/11/2006 2:49:43 AM PDT by mthom
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To: Havoc

The unions are being destroyed as much by illegals as any other wage earner group in the class.

Are you a defender of labor unions?

66 posted on 05/11/2006 2:50:15 AM PDT by rdb3 (It helps now that I'm no longer young enough to know everything.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Your dynamic is a little off. It was Bush Sr. that was out of touch and who betrayed the party and country that led to the discontent calling for a Perot. After both parties beat on Perot and ran him out of the race, the guy came back and still garnered 19 percent of the vote - a commentary on the two parties as much as on Perot. Clinton isn't Perot's fault. Clinton is Bush Sr's fault. And if America had had it's way without all the monkey business, there Sr would have retired and Perot would have been President.

Bottom line, you can't blame the Public or Perot for the failures of the GOP. Nor can you blame the public and/or a third party candidate for the GOP not doing the right thing now. It isn't someone else's fault. The fault lies squarely with the GOP. If they can't get it together, they got no business up there.


67 posted on 05/11/2006 2:51:43 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Jim Robinson

I think the fact that there is "no alternative" is what will lead to the already occurring genocide of the bedrock American middle-class. Damn the oliogarchic-leaning Repubs and 'Rats to Dante's pit. Our elected classes have doomed Hamilton's, Jefferson's, Madison's, et al. , dreams to a republic lying in dust before the next century uncoils.


68 posted on 05/11/2006 2:53:08 AM PDT by oioiman (all we want is the law to be enforced.....)
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To: Havoc

Better read up on the unions and their use of illegals to grow their membership rolls and also their direct support for the illegals. I don't expect anything from Bush regarding illegal immigration. Never did. I do appreciate his judicial appointments, though, and do expect them to make a big difference in the long haul. And the long haul is what I'm interested in. Bush is down to his last one thousand days in office. His judges will be on the bench for a lifetime.


69 posted on 05/11/2006 2:53:14 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: rdb3

Are you against workers contracting for their pay and benefits? It's not only legal, it is part of the market dynamic. Are you against contracts? Shall we outlaw them tomorrow? I don't necessarily like answering questions with questions; but, I've been here many times before. And you can't scape goat unions here.


70 posted on 05/11/2006 2:54:55 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: oioiman

I'm optimistic. I really do believe we're winning and the libs are desperate. They see a turnover in the judiciary ending their run on power. A few more constitutionalists on the bench and we may very well see a revival of the Republic.


71 posted on 05/11/2006 2:58:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: mthom

The answer would be the huge difference of positions on the issue within the movement. There is no other issue where conservatives are this far apart in their positions. Object to tone of the fight fine but this fight is totally justified.

I think that that's an excellent answer.

I do indeed object to the tone, for it serves no purpose. In fact, it appears that the tone is what some want to keep elevated astronomically.

You're exactly right about this fight being justified. It is. Yet I find no sense in ripping each other to shreds over it.

I only speak as one man.

72 posted on 05/11/2006 3:03:29 AM PDT by rdb3 (It helps now that I'm no longer young enough to know everything.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I love when they get brutally honest. Well said.


73 posted on 05/11/2006 3:05:12 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Holy shi'ite Osama, what the F-15 was that?)
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To: Jim Robinson

I'm glad about the Judges too, Jim. I'm just a little more longterm oriented myself while watching the damage done by the illegals. I worked for EDS where they joked around in the conference rooms that when comparing solutions to an airplane, we built the plane in flight and finished the build just in time to take the controls and hopefully prevent disaster. Hopefully.

If you compare this to the current situation, Immigration cuts across two vital parts of our airplane in flight - the economy and security. The president, congress and the Judiciary sit in the cockpit. Not much use for them if you've cut the tailsection free. And need I interject that the Supreme court is also illegally subordinated to the WTO court. You got part of the cockpit taking direction from two different towers at once with very different flight plans in mind. Which comes first, the plane plummeting to the ground without the tailsection or flying into a mountain due to conflicting tower reports.

I respect you a great deal. But, the big picture is the big picture in total.. not just in the parts we're seeing for a moment and a rally cry. The party left me sometime ago, Jim. I'd love it if they came back; but, I don't believe in if anymore. I believe in God, Country and Reagan's approach, "Trust; but, verify!" Trust is based on something more than rhetoric.. especially when the mouth says one thing while the action is the opposite.. that's the verify part. And when you try to verify, you bust them doing the opposite of what they say.. ala - no amnesty, just a guest worker program designed on amnesty but called something else.. that'll fool 'em.. eh?


74 posted on 05/11/2006 3:07:10 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Jim Robinson

Amen!


75 posted on 05/11/2006 3:07:40 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Jim Robinson

Saving for the "solution."


76 posted on 05/11/2006 3:08:49 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Havoc

A conservative third party candidate that gets anything more than 10 percent or so of the vote in any race is likely to give us a Democrat officeholder. I sincerely doubt that any conservative third party candidate will actually win statewide office. Not this year. Not anytime soon.


77 posted on 05/11/2006 3:08:54 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
The Beast must be destroyed!

They stab it with their steely knives
But they just can't kill the beast.

Welcome to the Hotel California.

Shalom.

78 posted on 05/11/2006 3:09:56 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I know you addressed this to someone else; but, I'd say I'm optimistic too - for America - not republicans and democrats.
The dems are done. If they got into office by mistake they wouldn't last because they don't know how to be other than what they are. Problem is, that describes the Ivory tower part of the Pubs too. They just can't help being what they are. And no one will constrain them anymore than the dems will constrain the radicals in their party. The ivory tower types see the base as their problem instead of themselves.


79 posted on 05/11/2006 3:12:16 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Havoc
Well, I think the best thing we can possibly hope to do for the long term is to deliver a full crew of constitutionalist judges. The sooner we rid ourselves of the liberal activist judiciary, the sooner we get our Republic back.
80 posted on 05/11/2006 3:14:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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