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Sullivan Hits A New Low: Hate Speech As A Substitute for Argument
http://hughhewitt.com/archives/2006/05/07-week/index.php#a002125 ^ | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 05/10/2006 5:25:00 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam

Andrew Sullivan's new Time column "My Problem with Christianism," is a call to embrace hate speech, a crude attempt to use language to marginalize everyone with whom Sullivan disagrees, and to attach to them the stigma of the Islamists. Sullivan's cowardly disclaimer --not that I mean they are violent like Islamists, he offers-- is a second indictment of his piece: Sullivan lacks the courage to fully defend what he obviously believes.

The third strike against the column is its fundamental unseriousness. Like others on the left, Sullivan is a serial destroyer of straw men, especially as he declaims about the "Christianist view that religious faith is so important that it must also have a precise political agenda. It is the belief that religion dictates politics and that politics should dictate the laws for everyone, Christian and non-Christian alike."

Who, exactly, believes such a thing? Sullivan names no names. He mentiuons Delay and Limbaugh, but far enough removed from this description as to have deniability. When Sullivan gives us a definition of Christinism backed up by a list of say, 25 prominent Christianists and data to prove it, then he will have made an argument. Until then he's just spitting out venom.

Sullivan lays down some exceptions to his sweeping condemnation of the undefined "religious right":

There are very orthodox believers who nonetheless respect the freedom and conscience of others as part of their core understanding of what being a Christian is. They have no problem living next to an atheist or a gay couple or a single mother or people whose views on the meaning of life are utterly alien to them--and respecting their neighbors' choices. That doesn't threaten their faith. Sometimes the contrast helps them understand their own faith better.

I and millions and millions of other evangelical protestants would nod in agreement to each of Sulliavn's lines in the sand --the foolishness of accusing the religious right of being against single mothers when crisi pregnancy centers aare primarily staffed and funded by orthodox Christians caring for and supporting single moms-- but that doesn't stop Sullivan from arguing that the religious right is Christianist.

I suspect that what Sullivan really wants to say is that anyone opposed to same sex marriage is a Christianist. Had he disclaimed such a view, there'd be very few people left in his group designated for hatred.

But Sullivan realizes that such an absurd argument generates laughter, so he doesn't make it. Instead he smears tens and tens of millions of Americans, never defines "religious right," and never concedes that his "test," whatever it is, is judged only by him and sweeps in a majority of Americans. Sullivan knows a "Christianist" when he sees one. trust him --they're everywhere.

Sullivan is obviously giving up on his crusade to persuade people of the benefits of same sex marriage, and his frustration is understandable. Not once in the long history of this country, not at the federal level or in any state, has a legislative body backed by the signature of an executive, defined marriage as open to two people of the same sex. In fact, whenever the question has been presented to popular vote, same sex marriage has been rejected overwhelmingly.

Embittered by this implacable refusal to change marriage even as the country has quite obviously come to reject discrimination against people whatever their sexual orientation, Sullivan attributes to that refusal a desire born of religious fanaticism to control every aspect of life. A silly jump, that, but not laughable because of his embrace of the noxious asserted parallel between Christians and terrorists.

I invited Sullivan on to today's program. He declined. I am not surprised. There is no defending this poison. Only a hit and run column will do.


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Andrew Sullivan is utterly reprehensible for trying to make a ridiculously false moral equivalence between traditional Christian believers (who have supported our Constitution for the past two hundred plus years) and Islamist terrorists.
1 posted on 05/10/2006 5:25:01 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

When I get into arguments about Christianity, many of my opponents bring up the Spanish Inquisition as the prime example of how hateful Christians are. Of course, my retort is, "I don't even have to go back one week in history for examples of the cruelty of Islam." Stops the argument dead in its tracks....


2 posted on 05/10/2006 5:38:10 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Let's all leave the US and return as undocumented trespassers....uh, immigrants)
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To: Unam Sanctam

What type of planes do Christians prefer to hijack and run into buildings?


3 posted on 05/10/2006 5:39:44 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: NRA1995

Prety pathetic to bring up the very distant past. It proves they need to search for their hatred.


4 posted on 05/10/2006 5:42:04 AM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: Unam Sanctam
What Sullivan should really consider and analyze is whether Christianity is true or not. If true, he should reconsider his life and where he is going.
5 posted on 05/10/2006 5:42:28 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Dallas59

The Lutherans are famous for doing stuff like that. We can't have anything any more.


6 posted on 05/10/2006 5:46:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Andrew Sullivan is himself a rectalist extremist.


7 posted on 05/10/2006 5:57:55 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Unam Sanctam
I note with amusement that he's creating some new words here -- Christianist, Christianism. This allows some wiggle room, some plausible deniability.

"Oh not, I don't hate Christians, not at all. My problem is with the "Christianists". Do I have something against Christianity? Oh no, not against Christianity. My beef is with "Christianism".

I can imagine how Mr. Sullivan, a homosexual activist, feels about Christians and Christianity. Creating -ists and -isms alows him to hate with deniability. Kinda like being anti-war ... but supporting the troops.

8 posted on 05/10/2006 6:04:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: Unam Sanctam

"I am the Good Shepherd. I lay down my life for my sheep," is a far cry from "kill the Infidel wherever you find them."

How dare this foppish popinjay make such odious comparisons.


9 posted on 05/10/2006 6:07:55 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Unam Sanctam

bttt


10 posted on 05/10/2006 6:14:34 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: robertpaulsen

He's creating new words, but don't forget that sexism and homophobia were once new ideologically-created words. They're now standard parts of our political vocabulary. Anyone suggesting that women shouldn't be in combat, or that gay marriage shouldn't be sanctioned, can be shut down simply by the invocation of those magic words. Sullivan knows what he's doing. He wants to create a new term ("Christianism") with which to stifle his opponents.


11 posted on 05/10/2006 6:17:23 AM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Unam Sanctam

More proof of how hateful and intolerant the Gaystapo really is. Not that we needed any more proof, mind you.


12 posted on 05/10/2006 6:20:05 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: Unam Sanctam
Some Leftist needs to remind Sullivan that Genesis was not written by a Christian...
13 posted on 05/10/2006 6:20:28 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I used to read his blog. But then he supported Kerry against GWB. The ONLY thing that mattered to him was that jFK supported same-sex marriage. That did it for me. Loser.


14 posted on 05/10/2006 6:25:37 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: puroresu
It is no coincidence Islamic pagans hate Israel, Jews, Christians and Western Civilization. The entire basis of Western Civilization is Mosaic Law, something both the Neo-Pagan Left and the pagan Islamic thugs cannot abide and wish to destroy.

The very idea that human beings have individual rights not subject to the whims of an earthly monarch, but subject to the laws of Yahweh, is directly from Moses.

Historically, this is proven over and over again with the successive conflicts between the forces of paganism and the Judaic culture. (This includes the idolatry of Marxist paganism.)

Today, "morals" are defined by a quasi-religious pagan philosophy based on esoteric hobgoblins. A greater number of "atheists" and "pagans" adopt the same hackneyed tenets of a false Judaic-Christian ideal (golden calf). They also subscribe to the Judaic fetishism of "sin," but will fight to their death in denial of it. Most of them are so wrapped up in their own polemics that they have become nothing more than pathetic anti-Christians with the same false hypocritical philosophy. They just slap a new label on it hoping nobody will notice - - they replace the idea of "avoiding sin" with "morals."

Morality and all of its associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

This is the whole crux of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

Abortion is akin to slavery... life to be bought and sold...

Contemplate the religious fervor associated with the pro-abortion advocacy. The societal practice of abortion is ritual mass murder upon the altars of conceit dedicated to idolatrous vanities, a collective human sacrifice before pagan idols.

It has a similitude to the Teutonic paganism of Adolph Hitler (whose idolatry was the idea of a "master race," among other things). In effect, these genocides are a mass human sacrifice to those pagan idols. The abortionists, like the National Socialists, incinerate the remains of their victims.

Aleister Crowley, who openly supported the National Socialists, was affiliated with Ordo Templi Orientis, A.A. (Order of the Silver Star) and other such occult lodges all across Germany. Crowley engaged in all manner of deviancy, homoeroticism, sadomasochism and murder. Much of the occultism in National Socialism is derived directly from there. Crowley envisioned himself as the Great Beast (To Mega Therion), just as der Fuhrer made himself in that image. Hitler's life as a struggling, inept artist was where that association blossomed.

Crowley's creed, "Do what thou wilt, shall be the whole of the Law," (which is actually from Francois Rabelais) and used by Neo-Pagan nutcases without attribution for obvious politically correct reasons, is with certainty no different than the National Socialist "will to power," or their ubermensch mentality.

It is also no accident Nietzsche's "over-man" and nihilist philosophy and resulting insanity from venereal disease closely mirrors the insanity of der Fuhrer.

These occult orders, sex and drug cults still survive today, as do the Neo-pagan, Neo-Nazi groups, black supremacist Rastafarian potheads, prison gangs and other related filth.

Crowley occultism is also from where L. Ron Hubbard emerges with Scientology. Note the NAZI symbolism of that kooky cult of weirdos and their deviant adherents. Hollywood Cultural Marxists love Scientology.

It is by no accident the Cultural Marxists are flaming haters of America, Israel and Christendom, and who advocate the most bizarre and psychotic.

15 posted on 05/10/2006 6:34:01 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: robertpaulsen
paulsen wrote:

I can imagine how Mr. Sullivan, a homosexual activist, feels about Christians and Christianity. Creating -ists and -isms alows him to hate with deniability.
Kinda like being anti-war ... but supporting the troops.

Good comparison bobbie: -- Kinda like you being 'pro'-gun ... but supporting machine gun prohibitions.

16 posted on 05/10/2006 8:47:19 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: Unam Sanctam

Having read the original Sullivan column, I was struck by the utter hypocricy he exhibited.

He wants the rules of God to be changed so he is not offended and he can practice the lifestyle he wants sans criticism or consequences.


17 posted on 05/10/2006 8:50:05 AM PDT by sauropod ("Heaven on my left, Hell on my right and the Angel of Death behind me" - Dune)
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To: Unam Sanctam; Dallas59

I don't think he made a moral equivalence between them. He is smart enough to know the difference.


18 posted on 05/10/2006 10:17:36 AM PDT by conserv13
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Sullivan Hits A New Low: Hate Speech As A Substitute for Argument

There is much wisdom in the well known verse, "No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to one, and despise the other".

Sullivan's primary master appears to be his homosexual disorder...

19 posted on 05/10/2006 11:03:47 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: NRA1995

Oooh, nice line; mind if I steal it? I get the same B.S. response.


20 posted on 05/10/2006 11:05:43 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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