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FDR's Domestic Surveillance
American Spectator ^ | May 9, 2006 | By Adam White & Daveed Gartenstein-Ross

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:17:53 AM PDT by aculeus

IN A BOLD AND CONTROVERSIAL DECISION, the president authorized a program for the surveillance of communications within the United States, seeking to prevent acts of domestic sabotage and espionage. In so doing, he ignored a statute that possibly forbade such activity, even though high-profile federal judges had affirmed the statute's validity. The president sought statutory amendments allowing this surveillance but, when no such legislation was forthcoming, he continued the program nonetheless. And when Congress demanded that he disclose details of the surveillance program, the attorney general said, in no uncertain terms, that it would get nothing of the sort.

In short, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt charted a bold course in defending the nation's security in 1940, when he did all of these things.

It is worth remembering FDR's example as the debate over the NSA's warrantless surveillance continues to heat up. After a few months' lull, it seems that the issue is again creeping into the headlines. On April 27, for example, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter convened a press conference demanding that President Bush disclose the details of the NSA's surveillance program, and threatening to suspend the program's funding.

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1 posted on 05/09/2006 6:17:54 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: aculeus
On April 27, for example, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter convened a press conference demanding that President Bush disclose the details of the NSA's surveillance program, and threatening to suspend the program's funding.

Pres. Bush should dare Specter to cut funding and note responsibility for future terrorist attacks then falls on those in congress who do so.

2 posted on 05/09/2006 6:23:51 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: aculeus

Democrats like FDR and Arlen Spector can do whatever they want. It's Republicans who can be called to account for their actions.


3 posted on 05/09/2006 6:26:25 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: aculeus
While I detest FDR's Trotskyite New Deal and his third-grade understanding of economics, I respect him as a great war leader. I shudder to think of where our nation might be today if Wendell Willkie had been sitting in the White House on December 7th....


4 posted on 05/09/2006 6:27:22 AM PDT by Crispus Attucks Patriot (The first to give his life for your liberty was a Black man!)
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To: Dr Will Dyer

Dictatorship? You joined this morning, to ladle out a dollop of hyperbole?


6 posted on 05/09/2006 6:35:31 AM PDT by sofaman ("The Argument from Intimidation is a confession of intellectual impotence." Ayn Rand)
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To: Dr Will Dyer
If the situation warrants an NSA-operated dragnet of domestic communications,

Has somebody disclosed classified information to you regarding the nature of the NSA operations? Because either you have information that has been withheld from the public or else you are making up stories about a "dragnet of domestic communications". btw, welcome to FR.

7 posted on 05/09/2006 6:51:04 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: sofaman

"Dictatorship" may be hyperbole, but he's right that looking to FDR for inspiration is a pretty sad state of affairs. The man had nothing but contempt for the idea that the Constitution imposed any limitations on the power of the federal government.


8 posted on 05/09/2006 6:54:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dr Will Dyer; tacticalogic
It is also a little ironic for conservatives to look to FDR, who did more than a few unconstititional things, for any justification.

Interesting 'interpretation' of this.

I read this as saying, "Look Libs, your very favorite Prez did exactly the same thing with no apologies, so impeaching Bush for this would be admitting that FDR should have been impeached".

And I would also say, this *is* a state of war.

Altho I don't understand why Bush doesn't just start getting a judge to sign off on warrants before they tap . . .

9 posted on 05/09/2006 7:00:18 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr
I read this as saying, "Look Libs, your very favorite Prez did exactly the same thing with no apologies, so impeaching Bush for this would be admitting that FDR should have been impeached".

And you'd probably be right. Bill Clinton used to do this, finding some past President that got away with something he was being criticized for, and holding it up as an example.

11 posted on 05/09/2006 7:31:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Crispus Attucks Patriot
his third-grade understanding of economics,

If FDR's failures in his first two terms could simply be attributed to a lack of understanding, that could be forgiven. I fear you are selling him short.

He understood very well how to manipulate the economic situation so as to garner more votes for he and the Democrats.

Denial to some with horn of plenty to others was not ignorance. It was the worst type of manipulation for political gain.

12 posted on 05/09/2006 7:32:21 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Cynicism, is an unpleasant way of telling the truth" -- Lillian Hellman)
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To: Dominic Harr
why Bush doesn't just start getting a judge to sign off on warrants before they tap . . .

Wire taps?

That is J. Edgar Hoover technology in the Bill Gates world.

They are not just listening in on occassional phone calls, they are monitoring cell phones and other more modern methods of communication. You simply cannot get "wire taps" on throw away cell phones.

13 posted on 05/09/2006 7:37:26 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Cynicism, is an unpleasant way of telling the truth" -- Lillian Hellman)
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It should not need to be a matter of opinion.

Actually, for by far most of our country's engagements, this has been the norm.

What is rare is the 'clean war', WWII style, where everyone in the world agrees with us and is on board with the politics of the situation.

Heck, even in WWII, the politics between the allies was a *significant* issue.

Ask youself what a Democrat who would model themselves after FDR would do with the powers Bush claims to have.

I was under the impression that Clinton already did. And yes, crying 'dictatorship' does sound like alarmist hyperbole.

From my understanding of what you believe, I think you're simply mistaken. Sorry!

14 posted on 05/09/2006 7:42:44 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: tacticalogic
Bill Clinton used to do this, finding some past President that got away with something he was being criticized for, and holding it up as an example.

Showing political hypocracy by pointing out where your critics approved of the exact same things you are doing in someone else has always and will always be standard 'damage control' procedure, wouldn't you agree?

16 posted on 05/09/2006 7:44:25 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: aculeus

BTTT


17 posted on 05/09/2006 7:45:49 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi)
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To: Michael.SF.
Wire taps?

I meant that as a generic term for 'listening in on private calls' -- sorry if that was confusing!

18 posted on 05/09/2006 7:45:59 AM PDT by Dominic Harr
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To: Dominic Harr
Showing political hypocracy by pointing out where your critics approved of the exact same things you are doing in someone else has always and will always be standard 'damage control' procedure, wouldn't you agree?

It has, and the end result is to drive principle down to the lowest common denominator.

19 posted on 05/09/2006 7:49:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dominic Harr
I meant that as a generic term for 'listening in on private calls'

Understood.

But how do you get permission to listen in on calls from an as yet unknown number?

20 posted on 05/09/2006 7:52:49 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("Cynicism, is an unpleasant way of telling the truth" -- Lillian Hellman)
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