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Immigration bills concern some experts - Legalization plans pose big problems, they warn
San Diego Union - Tribune ^ | 5/7/06 | Marcus Stern and Jerry Kammer - CNS

Posted on 05/07/2006 9:52:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON – Massive demonstrations nationwide have helped propel legislation to legalize millions of undocumented immigrants. But immigration experts and critics caution that the legislation, if enacted, could generate a legacy of unintended consequences.

Senate legislation would double legal immigration, legalize millions currently in the country illegally and open the border every year to hundreds of thousands of “guest workers.” The Senate debated the legislation in March and April but failed to complete action before going on a recess.

The House approved enforcement-only legislation in December that would make unlawful presence in the country a felony, boost efforts to stop illegal immigration at the border and toughen requirements for employers to verify the legal status of workers.

The contrast in approaches reflects public polarization over the issue. It's also consistent with the thrust of U.S. immigration policy in recent decades: pro-immigration but anti-immigrant.

“The policy isn't driven by a big-picture look at what is in the national interest; it's driven by the short-term political gains that politicians think they can reap,” said James Gimpel, a professor of government at the University of Maryland.

Three key elements of the Senate legislation raise particular concern:

A permanent doubling of today's historically high levels of legal immigration, from roughly 1 million a year to 2 million a year. The provision has attracted surprisingly little attention.

Legalization of most of the estimated 12 million people illegally in the United States.

Guest worker programs that would allow hundreds of thousands of foreign workers and their families into the country each year and offer them an eventual path to citizenship.

Proponents argue that few of the 12 million people living here illegally will leave voluntarily and mass deportation is not feasible. For that reason, they say, legalization is necessary to draw the undocumented immigrants into society's mainstream. Guest worker programs, they say, give U.S. employers and foreign workers a humane and orderly alternative to mass illegal immigration.

Opponents decry the Senate's stealthy provision doubling legal immigration. Moreover, they denounce the legalization component as an amnesty that would reward illegal immigration. They also warn that a big guest worker program would erode incomes of low-wage workers, lead to more illegal immigration and create a vast, new servant class.

Some experts also question whether the federal government will be overwhelmed by the tens of millions of applications for various immigration benefits that the Senate legislation ultimately could generate.

The nation's only experience with a similar program was 20 years ago. Congress intended the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act to shut the door on illegal immigration while creating a path to citizenship for many of the estimated 6 million illegal immigrants then living in the country.

Amnesty eventually was granted to 2.7 million of the 3 million people who applied. But the effort to halt illegal immigration never gained traction, and the illegal population ballooned to 12 million.

A major component of the program – designed for seasonal agricultural workers – was riddled with fraud. Some of those whose bids for amnesty were rejected filed a class-action lawsuit that was resolved only recently. And the crush of immigrants legalized under the 1986 act swamped the hapless Immigration and Naturalization Service in the mid-1990s, when many of them applied for citizenship.

The legalization program envisioned by the Senate could be twice the size of the 1986 program and would require either massive outsourcing or the hiring of a legion of federal workers, said Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, which wants to restrict immigration. He predicted high costs, huge backlogs and negligible oversight.

“How do you practically put the plumbing in place to make this work properly?” he asked. “There is a complete disconnect from reality.”

Krikorian and others expressed doubts that requirements for background checks, English language instruction and payment of past taxes would be enforced.

Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said application fees would pay for the new bureaucracy to run the programs. She dismissed the prospects for fraud.

In any case, she added, Krikorian's concerns, valid or not, are no excuse for denying undocumented immigrants a way out of illegality.

“We just have to do it,” she said of the administrative challenge.

Demographer Michael Teitelbaum of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, the New York-based nonprofit philanthropic institution, said he had been perplexed that a huge increase in legal immigration like the one in the Senate legislation could go virtually unnoticed.

He noted that independent public opinion surveys commonly show that barely one voter in five supports increasing legal immigration. He cited a recent poll by the Pew Center for the People and the Press that found 17 percent of those surveyed support increasing immigration.

Teitelbaum concluded that the public simply hasn't focused on the element of the Senate bill that would permanently double annual immigration levels. Most of the public debate has been sharply focused on the legalization and guest worker components.

“I don't think anybody has really looked at it,” he said.

Much of the increase would come from a boost in the number of visas to help employers hire foreign workers. The cap would grow from 140,000 a year to 290,000 a year. But family members would no longer count against the cap, so the actual number of people likely to enter under the category would grow to around 900,000 a year.

The version of the bill passed by the Senate Judiciary Committee and a compromise under consideration also would increase the number of visas available to bring relatives to the United States by about 250,000 a year.

Philip Martin, a labor economist at the University of California Davis, expressed doubts that guest worker programs would curtail illegal immigration.

“It didn't work during the Bracero program,” he said, referring to an agricultural guest worker program from 1942 to 1964. “It didn't work because workers learn they can avoid paying fees by coming illegally, and employers learn that they can avoid costs by hiring illegal workers.”

Illegal immigration is unlikely to abate without substantial changes in the federal government's look-the-other-way approach to the hiring of undocumented workers.

“Just as with the accounting frauds, until you send people to jail it's hard to change behavior because people don't get the message that society regards this as a serious problem,” Martin said.


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Crackdown or welcome for illegal immigrants?

Major provisions of HR 4437, which the House of Representatives passed in December:

Make illegal presence in the U.S. a felony.

Boost surveillance at the border.

Stiffen penalties for immigrant smuggling.

Construct 700 miles of fence along the Mexican border.

Require employers to verify worker immigration status.

Increase criminal penalties for employers who hire illegal immigrants.

Crack down on illegal immigrants who are members of gangs.

Major provisions of the bill under most active Senate consideration:

Illegal immigrants who have been in the country at least five years would receive a renewable work visa if they pay a $2,000 penalty and all back taxes, pass a criminal background check and learn English. They would be granted a chance to receive a green card, and eventual citizenship, if they stay employed and avoid major legal problems.

Illegal immigrants in the country less than five years but more than two years would have to report to a port of entry along the border to apply for one of the 450,000 green cards that will be available each year.

Illegal immigrants in the country for two years or less would be required to return to their native countries.

Up to 325,000 guest workers would be allowed in the country each year if employers are unable to fill jobs with American citizens or permanent residents.

Up to 1.5 million agricultural workers now in the United States illegally would be granted legal status and a path to citizenship over a five-year period.

The Border Patrol would be authorized to expand by 12,500 officers over a five-year period.

Tamper-proof identification cards would be required of all job seekers.

1 posted on 05/07/2006 9:52:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
"Massive demonstrations nationwide have helped propel legislation to legalize millions of undocumented immigrants."

It might have helped propel those who legislate, but 10 to 1 says it propelled the general public in the opposite direction.

2 posted on 05/07/2006 10:09:55 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: NormsRevenge
It's also consistent with the thrust of U.S. immigration policy in recent decades: pro-immigration but anti-immigrant.

I'm getting tired of this cr*p. No one is "anti-immigrant"; people, that is, real American citizens, are "anti-illegal immigration." Big difference.

3 posted on 05/07/2006 10:15:20 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: NormsRevenge
Proponents argue that few of the 12 million people living here illegally will leave voluntarily and mass deportation is not feasible.

A lame self-fulfilling prophecy, not a statement of fact.

Congress intended the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act to shut the door on illegal immigration while creating a path to citizenship for many of the estimated 6 million illegal immigrants then living in the country.

Amnesty eventually was granted to 2.7 million of the 3 million people who applied. But the effort to halt illegal immigration never gained traction, and the illegal population ballooned to 12 million.

The "experts" missed it completely 20 years ago.
What is "different" about this time that will make it work?

The only certain way to be fair to all immigrants, primarily the legal ones (who pay the second biggest price, years of delays) second only to the taxpayers' burden.

4 posted on 05/07/2006 10:17:45 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: hsalaw; NormsRevenge

hsalaw said: "I'm getting tired of this cr*p. No one is "anti-immigrant"; people, that is, real American citizens, are "anti-illegal immigration." Big difference."

I agree completely with hsalaw. People try to paint those of us who are against amnesty and for strong border control as racist or bigots, and that just is not the case. We are against illegal immigration and amnesty and for control of the border because (1) we believe in the rule of law; (2) Mexico is deporting its poorest to us, which is costing the US taxpayer a lot of money for social services; (3) granting amnesty, combined with not controlling the border, means that the flow of illegal aliens will continue, and we'll be confronted with this same problem again in another 20 years; and,(4)we believe that controlling the borders is necessary for national security.




The article says: "Proponents argue that few of the 12 million people living here illegally will leave voluntarily and mass deportation is not feasible. For that reason, they say,legalization is necessary to draw the undocumented immigrants into society's mainstream."

IMO, "mass deportation" is not necessary. Go after the employers of illegals---penalize them heavily. Catch them by auditing their payroll tax returns, W-2s and salary deductions on their income tax returns. I know the IRS and SSA computers can do this because they do it with 1099s. By going after the employers, jobs for the illegals will dry up and, presumably, they will go back to Mexico. If they haven't gone back after 2 or 3 years, find a Plan B. In the meantime (or probably first) do whatever it takes to totally secure the border---zero tolerance.




I agree with the comment in the article that guest workers would "create a vast, new servant class". I heard Pat Buchanan refer to guest workers as "Orwellian proles". IMO, we should encourage immigrants who want to come here legally, stay here, assimilate and become American citizens. We don't need guest workers who have more loyalty to the country they come from than they do to the US.


5 posted on 05/07/2006 11:20:06 PM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: NormsRevenge

The House of Representatives is our only hope - the Senate is hopeless. If the Republican House caves, or if the Dims win it in November, then the game is over. The Senate will pass a monstrosity, in effect disolving the country, and Bush will sign it - all the while praising it as progress.


6 posted on 05/07/2006 11:44:59 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: Malesherbes

If the Pubbies go along with this, they'll be a minority party for a generation.


7 posted on 05/07/2006 11:50:17 PM PDT by 11th_VA (UNITED 93 - Everything you need to know about Islam)
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To: hsalaw; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; potlatch; Czar; JustPiper; STARWISE; DoughtyOne; Seadog Bytes; ...





8 posted on 05/08/2006 12:16:27 AM PDT by devolve ((----Bimboly Geldfoyle - bicoastal or another thespian?))
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To: devolve

A black square..Hmmm?...Jesse Jackson perhaps?


9 posted on 05/08/2006 1:17:17 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: NormsRevenge

10 posted on 05/08/2006 2:41:26 AM PDT by mirkwood (Gun control isn't about guns. It's about control.)
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To: Malesherbes

"The House of Representatives is our only hope"

Sure as hell looks like it.


11 posted on 05/08/2006 2:49:47 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: NormsRevenge
The ugly truth of the matter is both the academic Left and big business interests have a vested interest in cheap illegal labor, to the detriment of the country's overall well-being. And their voices are louder than those of average Americans because of their influence in the MSM and among the politicians who pay attention to them. Most Americans don't want increased immigration - they want less of it and want to see illegal aliens removed from the country. But the prospect we will get a sensible immigration policy adopted in this country is about as good as the prospect we will get abortion banned here - which is to say never.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

12 posted on 05/08/2006 3:13:11 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: unfortunately a bluestater; hsalaw
hsalaw said: "I'm getting tired of this cr*p. No one is "anti-immigrant"; people, that is, real American citizens, are "anti-illegal immigration." Big difference."

People have every right to be anti-immigrant if they want. There is no great inherent virtue in being pro-immigrant over being anti-immigrant. Citizens have the right to organize and exert their political will to reduce or stop immigration entirely.

It's still a free country after all.
13 posted on 05/08/2006 4:05:13 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: hsalaw

"I'm getting tired of this cr*p. No one is "anti-immigrant"; people, that is, real American citizens, are "anti-illegal immigration." Big difference."

I've noticed the media trend. "illegal'" is just not being used at all as a descriptive of immigrant. We are either pro-immigrant or anti-immigrant. How the hell "they" (whoever 'they' are'?) have succeeded in completely obliterating 'illegal' from all converstations on this issue is beyond me. Very few in the media make the effort to point it out when it happens.


14 posted on 05/08/2006 7:34:16 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: NormsRevenge; All

"Illegal immigrants who have been in the country at least five years ".................

"Illegal immigrants in the country less than five years but more than two years "..........................

"Illegal immigrants in the country for two years or less"...........

Maybe I missed something somewhere, but can anyone tell me HOW we are going to determine length of time in the country? If they are here illegally and undocumented, what proof is there?


15 posted on 05/08/2006 7:38:46 AM PDT by Kimberly GG
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To: All
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16 posted on 05/08/2006 7:45:46 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Borders, Language and Culture - You Don't Have These, You Don't Have A Country)
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To: George W. Bush

I agree.


17 posted on 05/08/2006 8:01:29 AM PDT by unfortunately a bluestater
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To: devolve

OH!
I LOVE that one!


18 posted on 05/08/2006 8:01:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (There ought to be one day-- just one-- when there is open season on senators. ~~ Will Rogers)
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To: HiJinx

ping


19 posted on 05/08/2006 8:52:22 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Kimberly GG
HOW we are going to determine length of time in the country? If they are here illegally and undocumented, what proof is there?

There is no proof. Maybe the following will morph into the usual response to questions like yours:

Jeanne Butterfield, executive director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, said application fees would pay for the new bureaucracy to run the programs. She dismissed the prospects for fraud.

20 posted on 05/08/2006 8:58:42 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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