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Hawaii Gives Up on Its Attempt to Control Gas Prices
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Posted on 05/06/2006 9:11:42 PM PDT by freepatriot32

HONOLULU (May 6) - Gas prices keep going up everywhere, and Hawaii's unique attempt to control them is running on fumes.

The isolated island state whose drivers consistently pay the highest pump prices in the nation has given up on its government-regulated price controls after an eight-month experiment.

With the average price for regular in Hawaii rising above $3.38 per gallon Friday, Gov. Linda Lingle signed into law a suspension of the cap that sought to keep the oil companies in check and give a fair price to customers.

Bad timing with rising oil prices, outrage among island motorists, industry lobbying and public pressure in an election year combined to scuttle the nation's only state attempt to cap the cost of fuel.

"In a lot of people's minds, they thought the gas cap wasn't working," said Sen. Paul Whalen, a strong supporter of the law. "It was hard to generate lots of support for it because ... we're paying more than we ever were before."

Hawaii first imposed weekly limits on wholesale gas prices Sept. 1 based on the average of prices in Los Angeles, New York and the Gulf Coast. Then allowances were added for what it costs wholesalers to ship to Hawaii and distribute gas to more remote islands.

Price caps differed for each island. There was no cap on the markup added by gas stations.

Some opponents argued that the state's limit on gas prices actually helped the oil companies boost profits because they knew they could charge up to the maximum allowed.

Another problem was that it was hard to tell whether the law did any good.

"It's ridiculous. Prices jumped up 20 cents in the last couple of days," said Calvin Reddick, who paid $15 for just over four gallons of gas for his Volkswagon Beetle. "Usually when you have a cap, it's supposed to freeze prices off. Obviously, their idea of a cap is different from mine."

Because the oil refiners keep their profit margins and costs private, it was difficult for even experts to determine whether residents were paying more or less than they would without the gas cap.

One study by an economics professor showed the gas cap cost consumers 5 cents more per gallon.

An analysis by the state Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism estimated that island motorists paid $54.9 million more than they otherwise would have in the first five months under the cap.

But research by cap supporter Rep. Marcus Oshiro indicated the limits saved drivers $33 million.

"It was a failure, and other experts that have looked at it have said the same thing," said Anita Mangels, a spokeswoman for the Western States Petroleum Association, which represents ChevronTexaco and Shell Oil. "It was well-intended, but apparently according to the state's own agency has not served consumers well."

With customer unrest mounting and aggressive oil company lobbying, lawmakers felt they had to do something before the November election and before prices went up further.

Rather than forcing down gas prices with a lower price ceiling, the state's mostly Democratic Legislature suspended the cap and gave Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, who had opposed any regulation of gas prices, the power to bring it back if she decides fuel has gotten too expensive.

That way, legislators passed on responsibility for any price control to the governor.

"Going into an election year, they weren't willing to support gas pricing regulations, given the concerns of many people in the public, and I think the oil companies did a good job of blaming the pricing regulations for the high prices," said Sen. Ron Menor, chief advocate of the gas cap.

At the same time, the law provides for computation of a hypothetical gas cap using a new formula expected to be about 16 cents a gallon lower than the current one. The revised calculation will include prices from low-cost Singapore, and it will disqualify the highest-priced market from the average of the four regions.

"It will remain as a flashing sign that will remind Hawaii's consumers what the price would have been under the gas cap," said Scott Foster, a spokesman for Hawaii Advocates for Consumer Rights. "The more information we get, the more we can understand about how the industry has been gouging us."

Other parts of the law lifting the controls require the oil companies to make their wholesale pricing information public so that customers could compare pump prices with actual costs. Currently, that information is kept confidential by the companies.

"We understand that people desire to know what the situation is," said Albert Chee, a spokesman for Chevron. "No one can claim exactly what the effect has been. I don't know if following of mainland prices has better served our customers."

Even though the gas cap has been suspended, it isn't going away.

Lawmakers said it has inspired interest from other states that want to try to hold down soaring gas prices.

"We're going to be talking about gas prices for a long time. The president is looking into it, Congress is looking into it," said Sen. Will Espero, a steady backer of regulating the oil industry. "This issue is a complicated and complex matter that doesn't have an easy, simple solution."


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You would think these morons would have learned from richard nixon back in the early 70 s that price controls dont work. What isthat they say about those that dont learn history ?
1 posted on 05/06/2006 9:11:46 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: traviskicks

ping


2 posted on 05/06/2006 9:12:12 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
What isthat they say about those that dont learn history ?

They vote DemocRAT?

3 posted on 05/06/2006 9:13:00 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: freepatriot32
What isthat they say about those that dont learn history ?

Somthin about "bound to repeat it".

4 posted on 05/06/2006 9:14:49 PM PDT by p23185 (Being trashed by the Stone Age Press should be worn as a badge of honor by Repubs and Conservatives)
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To: freepatriot32
Someone give Calvin Riddick an honorary PhD in Economics! From DeVry University!

The only regret is they didn't leave it in place long enough to subject islanders to severe shortages - it was going to happen soon.
5 posted on 05/06/2006 9:15:26 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: freepatriot32

Somebody there figured out Economics 101?


6 posted on 05/06/2006 9:18:26 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Every vote for a Democrat is a vote for $10/gallon gas.)
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To: freepatriot32

There must be some way to turn pineapples into fuel.


7 posted on 05/06/2006 9:20:50 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: freepatriot32

***You would think these morons would have learned from richard nixon back in the early 70 s ***

I know what will help lower the cost of gas! Bring back Gerals Ford"s old WIN buttons!(Whip Inflation Now)! ;>)


8 posted on 05/06/2006 9:45:44 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (ISLAM is STILL the religion of the criminally insane!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Exactly. This stupid attempt was like trying to regulate gravity to be only 5 m/s²!


9 posted on 05/06/2006 9:46:20 PM PDT by burzum (A single reprimand does more for a man of intelligence than a hundred lashes for a fool.--Prov 17:10)
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To: Moonman62; aculeus; dighton; martin_fierro
There must be some way to turn pineapples into fuel.


10 posted on 05/06/2006 9:53:06 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: freepatriot32
Welcome back to the Free Market, Hawaii.

Bill O'Reilly will not be pleased. Hasn't he been hyping price controls on his show?

11 posted on 05/06/2006 10:02:41 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: freepatriot32

I wish Hawaii would control the gold price at say, $500 per ounce. I'll be right over there to buy a few kilograms.


12 posted on 05/06/2006 10:04:55 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: freepatriot32; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
"It was well-intended, but apparently according to the state's own agency has not served consumers well."

This guy called it a failure from the beginning.



Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
13 posted on 05/06/2006 11:16:59 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Whats with BOR on price controls. He has to be smart enough to know that if you force the price below what it costs them to make it, nobody will sell it.


14 posted on 05/06/2006 11:20:52 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: dennisw

"I'll be right over there to buy a few kilograms."

As dumb as they seem to be you might be able to.


15 posted on 05/06/2006 11:48:17 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (Illegal immigration 24/7, the GOP ain't making it 24/7, Oil 24/7)
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To: freepatriot32
Well if the HiWyans are feeling really frisky, why dont they impose a price cap on everything!!!!

Just think of the boost is tourist trade!!!!!

Come to Hywhyeee everythins jest .99 cents! But you's better get heren soon cause at these rates supplies wont last long!!!

Freakin socialist moroons!!!!

16 posted on 05/07/2006 1:37:00 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Politically Correct" is the politically correct term for "f*cking retarded aka Patches Kennedy")
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To: freepatriot32

"It was well-intended, but apparently according to the state's own agency has not served consumers well."

well-intended...but does not serve people well. This just about is the perfect summary for every socialist and communist economic idea.


17 posted on 05/07/2006 1:51:45 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: freepatriot32; All
I have been covering, ( Or, as Seamole puts it...-backhoe's pseudoblog--... ) pseudo-blogging, this issue for years, so allow me to drop out of Lurk & Link mode for a rare bit of commentary-- we all need to get serious about our dependency on foreign sources of energy, and use our own resources.

Our consumer-based economy is driven by and dependent upon readily-available, reliable energy-- choke that off, and we'll all be back to using one rotary dial phone in the dining room, watching one TV in the living room, and driving one car per family-- probably a Hudson Hornet or a Nash Metropolitan...

We need to

1) end the nonsensical ban on offshore drilling off California and Florida--read & weep:
Castro Plans to Drill 45 Miles from US Shores, But We Can't

2) build a lot of next-generation nuclear power plants, not just for electricity, but for any process requiring heat, power, or steam.
And if we replaced our existing nuclear plants with
this one there would be significant benefits.

3) end Jimmy Carter's idiotic ban on recycling nuclear waste, and reprocess the stuff rather than fighting over where to bury it. Europe has done this for decades.-- what to do with spent nuclear fuel? Answer here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1468321/posts?page=50#50 hattip:  Mike (former Navy Nuclear Engineer)

4) use the 300-500 years worth of coal we have on our own land, using the new clean-coal technology.
-Clean Coal Centre--

5) and finally, there's nothing wrong with conservation, we should all practice it- but you can't conserve your way out of a shortage. Nor is there anything wrong with "alternative" energy sources- except they don't supply the vast ( not to mention readily-available ) amounts of power we need at a price competitive to more conventional sources. Then again, there is this to ponder:
Energy From the Gulf Stream
http://www.energy.gatech.edu/presentations/mhoover.pdf

We do need to get serious about this before we get strangled by a bunch of petty thieves and dictators who don't like us much.

My tongue-in-cheek collection of energy-related links:

Sticker Shock-$3 a gallon gas? Click the picture:

And kindly note, and note well-- the first reply to this post ( when gas was $1.45 a gallon ) was derisive... so, who's laughing now?

Vest-Pocket Summary:

1- drill for gas & oil like crazy- onshore, offshore, and in Alaska
2- go nuclear for power
3- convert stationary plants to clean coal technology or Next-Gen Nuclear
4- slash taxes and regulations like crazy



18 posted on 05/07/2006 2:44:12 AM PDT by backhoe
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"In a lot of people's minds, they thought the gas cap wasn't working," said Sen. Paul Whalen, a strong supporter of the law. "It was hard to generate lots of support for it because ... we're paying more than we ever were before."

I couldn't help but laugh at that line!

19 posted on 05/07/2006 2:57:13 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Liberalism in a parasite that ALWAYS kills its host.)
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To: freepatriot32

"It was well-intended, but apparently according to the state's own agency has not served consumers well."

Hey, as long as their intentions are good...same old lefty story, different context.


20 posted on 05/07/2006 4:37:47 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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