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Yet another entity trying to break away from Serbia.
1 posted on 05/03/2006 10:18:09 AM PDT by mark502inf
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To: mark502inf
Yet another entity trying to break away from Serbia...

...in response to the Clinton legacy that made a pariah out of the only state fighting the Islamofascists. (Fixed that for ya!)

What a mind-numbingly stupid policy for the US to have ever supported!

How'd you like their "Thank you" on 9/11/01?

2 posted on 05/03/2006 10:27:04 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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The province of Quebec will no doubt be watching all of this.


5 posted on 05/03/2006 10:54:56 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; joan; vooch; ...
Does he even know that Montenegrins are Serbs?
6 posted on 05/03/2006 10:56:14 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: mark502inf
Yet another idiotic attempt by mark at historical revisionism. You must be a glutton for punishment Sparky, history is obviously not your forte.

The Financial Times apparently doesn't know the feeling of the average Montenegrin, who are Serbs by the way, a little detail that apparently needs to be mentioned to the mentally impaired.

8 posted on 05/03/2006 11:03:16 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: mark502inf

ping


18 posted on 05/03/2006 12:29:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo
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To: mark502inf; FormerLib
You are naive about Balkan affairs and even worse embarrassing. Think about it.

Djukanovic has been a long time Commie (since his teens)joining with the League of Communists of Yugoslavia before joining the Central Committee of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia in 1979. He is a friend of the great slime Clinton.

He is a mafioso of the first order being investigated by the Italians for years.

In short he is everything that is abhorrent in the world and you go and glorify his words. Pretty yucky!
25 posted on 05/03/2006 1:05:50 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: mark502inf; FormerLib

Plus the mafioso Djukanovic is a liar when he says that montenegro was never under the Turks. In fact, similarly to Serbia, Montenegro was under the rule of the Ottoman Turks for the duration of their reign in the Balkans.

I guess he is fooling people like you markie but not the rest of us. Djuka must be thinking of Zeta - the Serbian independent principality that replaced the ancient Kingdom of Duklja.

In any case the Montenegrans are Serbians.


26 posted on 05/03/2006 1:17:59 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: mark502inf; Hoplite; All

Actually, Montenegrins are themselves Serbs. In fact, historically the pro-independence element of Montenegrin society, or 'Greens' based their pro-independence claims on the notion that the Montenegrins are purer or truer Serbs than their lowland brethren. Also, have you bothered to ask yourself if Djukanovic's motivation for independence is really pure...or something not all together savory.


32 posted on 05/03/2006 3:48:07 PM PDT by Jacob Kell (L. Ron Hubbard was a fake, a liar, a crook, and a piece of crap.)
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It involves my own small but fiercely proud multi-ethnic country, Montenegro, which was wiped off the map by the Allies after the first world war and forced to become part of the kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, which was renamed Yugoslavia.

"Fiercely proud"? Yes, fiercely proud center of Serbian identity and rebirth. If tiny Montenegro separates from Serba it will become prey to "multi-ethnic" (Albanian/Muslim etc ) forces.

BTW, Radovan Karadzic - the leader of Serbs in Bosnia is Montenegrin and so was Vuk Karadzic - the reformer of modern Serbian language. Others like current President of Serbia Boris Tadic and actress Milla Jovovich are Montenegrin too.

33 posted on 05/03/2006 3:59:08 PM PDT by A. Pole (If the lettuce cutters were paid $10 more per hour, the lettuce head would cost FIVE CENTS more.)
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To: mark502inf; Banat; DTA; F-117A; getoffmylawn; kosta50; ma bell
Mark, Communists introduced the Montenegrin 'nation' after 1945. After 50 or more years of raising children in lies telling them Montengrins are something other than Serbs, there are generations have been raise to believe that.

That was Tito's plan after all. Yugoslav encyclopedia from the late 1950's lists Montenegrins as one of the "constituent people's" of the (then) People's federative Republic of Yugoslavia (FNRY), of "Serbian origin."

The encyclopedia "scientifically" explains that in the process of struggling against the Nazi occupiers, the Montenegrins somehow "evolved" into a separate "ethnic" group, acquiring a separate national entity.

Communists were not the only ones exploiting this "nationalism." Italy had good reasons to seek support among Montenegrin chieftains, and so the the Croatian fascist regime, the Pavelic's Ustashas.

Montenegrin nationalists have a 'science" of their own -- although not recognized in any academic institution in the world. They claim they are actually Baltic people, unrelated to Serbs, who arrived in the area, a century before the Serbs did.

Given that there are only a handful of Montenegrin in the world, enough to fit into a mid-size American city (600,000 or so), one must wonder how big of a tribe of these Baltics was, given that Djukanovich is blabbering something about 1,000 years old Montenegrin history (whatever that means). At the average natality rate, I would say, the tribe must have been about 5 "Montenegrins" in all!

There is no doubt that many people in MOntenegro "feel" they are Montenegrin and Serbs, but in most cases it is the way Texans feel they are Texans and Americans. There are those who for various reasons want to see Montenegro and independent country and nation and so on -- they hide their personal ambitions behind false national and ethnic theories.

And they count on people like you to help them spread or at least dignify their cheap propaganda, portraying criminals like Djukanovich, a sly politician, as heroic and brave individuals who stood up against Serbian "oppression."

Anyone who knows history a even a little, and who is not blinded by serbophobia will recognize that Serbian and Montenergin history and statehoods is so intertwined that one would not exist without the other. For your information, Communist Yugoslavia did not allow Montenegrins to declare themselves as Serbs or as Serbs and Montenegrins. The Serbs who were officially recognized in Montenegro as Serbs were Serbians who moved there or who had direct ties with Serbia.

Until 1991, there were officially only 8% Serbs living in Montenegro. Today there are 32%. The last census allowed Montenegrins to declare themselves Serbs and Montenegrins as well, which accounts for the increase. If the census ballots were properly worded and people properly instructed in history without revisionism, the reality would be 100%.

42 posted on 05/04/2006 4:14:50 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: mark502inf

the kurds of kurdistan/southern kurd- i.e Northern Iraq shuld have the same rights as well as in Turkey and Iran, don't you agree?


51 posted on 05/06/2006 5:34:16 AM PDT by ma bell ("Take me to the Brig. I want to see the "real Marines". Major General Chesty Puller, USMC)
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To: mark502inf
The Montenegrins are Serbs but they don't see a future in what remains of Yugoslavia. They certainly don't want to play second fiddle to Belgrade and they want to be an equal - not a junior partner.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

54 posted on 05/20/2006 3:13:50 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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